Don't deserve that.

There are some positives, we were much, much better in that second half.

Not saying we should have won but a couple of bounces of the ball and a couple of calls and that game is a lot closer than 14 points.

Damn!

oh god, another one, how sad, you soap dodgers really are a few rungs up in the whinging & whining stakes haha

You have to admit though at half time it was looking ominous.

Lots to take away from that, not many changes needed, but Lomax shouldn't play, embarrassingly slow. I wouldn't be surprised if Widdop moved to FB and Williams brought in at 6. Also, I'd play Roby for the full 80, and have another prop on the bench.
Whitehead with about 2 carries all game, he's a flat track bully

Lots to take away from that??? hmmmm yeah, Australia will improve by a long way, i feel good about the Australian effort, they usually start at an exceptional level & other teams improve, tonight they left themselves a lot of wiggle room to improve

Genuinely feel the England team were on the wrong end of some baffling decisions in that game, The JM knock on with the man in the ruck? All my years of watching NRL and SL, i`ve never heard "It was a dominant tackle" for an excuse for a player to be lying in the ruck.

Cant of been that dominant if he was stood up quick enough and play the ball correctly and the player was left at the PTB? What did the ref want him to do step of the mark to play the ball? Would he of penalized him for moving of the mark?

There was no atmosphere at all, the Australian "fans" are appalling at creating an atmosphere, abysmal.

Most interesting bloke ever.

McGillvary was England's best player. Wouldn't look out of place in the NRL.

England were poor 1st half but played well second half.

What nationality is the referee?

I didn't think the ref was bad. Let the game run and rarely used his whistle. Yeah a couple of decisions were debatable but the ref was good.

It was in Melbourne, what do you expect?

Although a state of origin in Melbourne, that stadium wouldn't be big enough

An Australian accent, and thus automatically assumed to be good enough.

thanks old chap, much appreciated, if you require my expert opinion i'll be glad to shed some light with my exceptional knowledge

Losing Sam Burgess cost us, as did some very dubious decisions from the referee.

Thought England played well in the 2nd half, after Australia dominated the 1st by miles. We're just not clinical enough when we get the opportunities. McGilvery & Hall excellent. Roby changed how we played in the 2nd half, also thought Bateman was fine but needs to be in the pack. Our pivots didn't really do anything. Lomax was poor.
Disappointing but not unexpected start, offers some hope going forward.
Can't help but feel though if he actually picked form players (i.e Shaul), we could have won. As Australia were average by there standards.

He was terrible.

"I'll just penalise nothing all game, then randomly pick 2 crucial moments to penalise england, for nothing".

Making no decisions for most of the game isn't good refereeing.

There could be 90k there and there'd still be no atmosphere from the Australian "fans".

Englanf attack wa pretty clueless within their 20m, rather than pressing and forcing the drop out then chipping away again, we keep trying to force a try, usually ending with just turning over possession.

Not over 80 minutes. We were battered in the first half and the Aussies should have been out of sight at half-time.

Lomax shouldn't play. Defensively awful. Widdop was very good and Gale was okay but his kicking wasn't good. Having said that, if you're kicking on the back foot you're always going to struggle.

What other full back options are there? Widdop is too good to leave at the back.

Ok sounds good. Maybe we will in exchange teach you how to lose your virginity.

Australians should be embarrassed by that refereeing performance.
No complaints with the result. Better team won but when you’re playing the best team in the world and the ref, you’ve no ing chance.

agree with Shaul but at the risk of going over old ground i can't help thinking Sneyd would have been a good partner for widdop - leave him to do most of the the kicking and let widdop use his running game more. hope they will at lease look at this potential partnership in the next couple of years

This kind of statement is only the second most prevalent behind "our forwards are lots harder than yours" or some such crap, both these sentiments get trotted out every time we play, boring as e

If you think that the atmosphere is terrible, blame yourselves for not being able to produce any competition, i'm in my late 40s & i have no idea what its like to be beaten by England in any substantial capacity, you've made it boring, your team fails to inspire, you won't find too much better atmosphere in RL than state of origin, thats because the english can't play it, thank god