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| Quote ="jools"Fact? Erm I beg to differ.'"
The quote said a "6 year free ride", which after they were OFFICIALLY immune from relegation when they joined, they were then protected by licencing. Please name the team that were "elected' to the SL comp and then were officially protected for the following 6 years.
London were apparently "imune', but the first (and 2nd) time they finished last they went down. The only side I can think you might be referring to is Huddersfield......but I await your answer with baited breath!
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| Quote ="roopy"I think Toronto will win the title within 3 or 4 years.
I was part of the internet forum in 2010 where these guys from Canada talked to the Americans and arranged to play an exhibition game at "War on the Shore" as their first attempt at playing League.
Within 2 or 3 years the Canadian national team was competitive with the American and Jamacian sides and Canada had a thriving comp.
After only 4 years of playing the game they launched the Wolfpack and have now risen through the ranks to the ESL.
It's basically the rise and rise and rise of Canadian Rugby League from a thread on an internet forum to the ESL in 9 years.
The USA comp has been going since 1998, and the Canadians blew them out of the water in no time at all.
I don't know how they have done all this. I thought their first game in New Jersey wouldn't come off because it seemed pretty hard to get a team together to travel to another country to play a game they hadn't played before, but they smashed that, and have smashed every step since.
If I were them, i'd already have the spot picked out for where the 2022 ESL winners trophy will go.'"
Quote ="Ste100Centurions"icon_lol.gif screenshot !'"
Thanks for keeping an eye on this for me. I often can't be bothered to look back for these sort of posts.
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| It's interesting that so many folk on here pretend to care more about the game, than their actual club. The fact that an overseas club with a moneybags owner is depriving an English club (or Toulouse) a place in Super league, really does iss me off. Nothing will change that. Hope racist Argyle gets bored, and they go 'down the pan'.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"It's interesting that so many folk on here pretend to care more about the game, than their actual club. The fact that an overseas club with a moneybags owner is depriving an English club (or Toulouse) a place in Super league, really does iss me off. Nothing will change that. Hope racist Argyle gets bored, and they go 'down the pan'.'"
Grr those bloody foreigners eh, stealing our jobs
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| Promotion and relegation is an out dated concept especially in RL it holds the game back in this country, is it no surprise that the NRL is essentially the only true elite RL competition in the world.
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Grr those bloody foreigners eh, stealing our jobs'"
Not at all, it's now a worldwide league. It would be brilliant if eventually SL only has 4 english clubs in it, and St. Helens get stuck in the championship after they bring back licensing, you won't be so cocky then darling. xx
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| We're digressing here but....
Yes it would be great if RL was a global sport and each country had a professional elite league.
The winners in each country could then take part in an international club competition like the Champions League.
However, at the moment, we are a million miles away from this.
The question then: is it worth destroying our own country's league to accomodate teams from another country on a hope (and it is only a hope as there is no evidence to prove it) that it will generate interest in these other countries to create their own leagues?
Or (more likely, unfortunately) will it simply disenfranchise the original country because it has lost so many teams attempting this, the new overseas clubs don't become sustainable, and the home country cannot recover its lost teams?
There is always a risk - it's just how big the risk is, that needs to be assessed.
Personally, I think the latter is more likely but we won't know unless we try but by then is it too late? The SL and RFL need to put in review points every couple of years whether it is working rather than blindly follow some dogmatic expand agenda. This doesn't mean its a negative, it's just common sense.
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"We're digressing here but....
Yes it would be great if RL was a global sport and each country had a professional elite league.
The winners in each country could then take part in an international club competition like the Champions League.
However, at the moment, we are a million miles away from this.
The question then: is it worth destroying our own country's league to accomodate teams from another country on a hope (and it is only a hope as there is no evidence to prove it) that it will generate interest in these other countries to create their own leagues?
Or (more likely, unfortunately) will it simply disenfranchise the original country because it has lost so many teams attempting this, the new overseas clubs don't become sustainable, and the home country cannot recover its lost teams?
There is always a risk - it's just how big the risk is, that needs to be assessed.
Personally, I think the latter is more likely but we won't know unless we try but by then is it too late? The SL and RFL need to put in review points every couple of years whether it is working rather than blindly follow some dogmatic expand agenda. This doesn't mean its a negative, it's just common sense.'"
How is it destroying the league in Europe? Toronto were not planted into SL, they earned the right by coming up the divisions.
Lets just look at what Toronto before they have even played a game have brought to SL. Worldwide news, signed a superstar and have put some eyeballs onto Super League.
Harsh but if Featherstone won they wouldn’t be bringing anything different to what we already have.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"How is it destroying the league in Europe? Toronto were not planted into SL, they earned the right by coming up the divisions.
Lets just look at what Toronto before they have even played a game have brought to SL. Worldwide news, signed a superstar and have put some eyeballs onto Super League.
Harsh but if Featherstone won they wouldn’t be bringing anything different to what we already have.'"
What a silly comment, maybe Fev should relocate to Zaire, then they would bring SOMETHING DIFFERENT (if promoted of course) to Sooper League.
Gateshead, Paris, London, Crusaders were all DIFFERENT, that really boosted the game didn't it.....NOT.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"What a silly comment, maybe Fev should relocate to Zaire, then they would bring SOMETHING DIFFERENT (if promoted of course) to Sooper League.
Gateshead, Paris, London, Crusaders were all DIFFERENT, that really boosted the game didn't it.....NOT.'"
It not about location. Its about intent.
Toronto are marking moves. They sign a new superstar, they want to play Australia next year in football stadium. They will more players.
This is a club not just based in Toronto and ready to tread water. They want to actually try and make the club a huge brand in Canada.
Now that's doing something different.
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| So any overseas club with a wealthy backer will be 'welcomed with open arms' and sod the rest, I like the logic behind that.
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| Bolloc@@ they will be gone in 2 years , no structure , no Canadian players , no Canadian League . Might as well bring in a Tongan team playing out of New Zealand .
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| Superstar , he is an over the hill mercenary
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"So any overseas club with a wealthy backer will be 'welcomed with open arms' and sod the rest, I like the logic behind that.'"
It's not sod the rest is it as Toronto went up through the divisions.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Superstar , he is an over the hill mercenary'"
Let's not deny you wish your club had him.
A superstar is someone who transcends the sport and actually creates headlines.
You name me one other player playing in SL who does that?
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Bolloc@@ they will be gone in 2 years , no structure , no Canadian players , no Canadian League . Might as well bring in a Tongan team playing out of New Zealand .'"
Pretty sure the same thing was said 3 years ago.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"So any overseas club with a wealthy backer will be 'welcomed with open arms' and sod the rest, I like the logic behind that.'"
Have non-overseas clubs not been welcomed?
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| Genuinely don't get this weird hate towards Toronto?
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| Quote ="Or thane"Genuinely don't get this weird hate towards Toronto?'"
It’s just coincidence that a lot of the antipathy towards Toronto comes from fans of clubs thoroughly dominated by Toronto on or off the pitch.
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| Quote ="Or thane"Genuinely don't get this weird hate towards Toronto?'"
It's bizarre. One would think they are trying to destroy rugby league.
I think a lot of it is down to many predictions being wrong. When Toronto were first launched you had people claiming it was a gimmick and wouldn't happen or after a year or two they would be gone.
Last year when they lost to London there was predictions of the Toronto experiment failing etc etc
The fact they are still here and are talk of the town seems to irk people.
One word - Haters
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| Quote ="Him"It’s just coincidence that a lot of the antipathy towards Toronto comes from fans of clubs thoroughly dominated by Toronto on or off the pitch.'"
Not really. We had RFL English Leagues, Then British, Then European, and now Worldwide. It's quite bizarre how desperate our governing body have become. Paris, Gateshead, London, Coventry, Oxford, Hemel, North & South Wales/Cardiff didn't work, or hasn't. So let's try planet earth. Let's see where we're at in 10 years time eh, never mind 20.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"It's bizarre. One would think they are trying to destroy rugby league.
I think a lot of it is down to many predictions being wrong. When Toronto were first launched you had people claiming it was a gimmick and wouldn't happen or after a year or two they would be gone.
Last year when they lost to London there was predictions of the Toronto experiment failing etc etc
The fact they are still here and are talk of the town seems to irk people.
One word - Haters'"
they are the talk on the town because they are from another country, and got lots of cash to spend. Oh, and their owner is a racist, you okay with that ?
If (for example) Castleford had signed SBW, it would have been a headline for a day, maybe.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Not really. We had RFL English Leagues, Then British, Then European, and now Worldwide. It's quite bizarre how desperate our governing body have become. Paris, Gateshead, London, Coventry, Oxford, Hemel, North & South Wales/Cardiff didn't work, or hasn't. So let's try planet earth. Let's see where we're at in 10 years time eh, never mind 20.'"
Well. It is. It’s quite clear that a lot of the antipathy towards Toronto comes from fans of clubs that have dominated on or off the pitch by Toronto.
Surely you’d want them to do well and succeed? Like Salford? Surely no-one wants any club to fail do they?
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| Quote ="Or thane"Genuinely don't get this weird hate towards Toronto?'"
It’s only from Leigh and Wakefield fans through jealousy so don’t worry. The rest of us welcome them with open arms
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| Quote ="Him"Well. It is. It’s quite clear that a lot of the antipathy towards Toronto comes from fans of clubs that have dominated on or off the pitch by Toronto.
Surely you’d want them to do well and succeed? Like Salford? Surely no-one wants any club to fail do they?'"
Yes, and I hope it encourages more North American clubs to join the RFL, and eventually they will outnumber English clubs in Super League. That is my dream.
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