As much as I dislike Wane and all things Wigan, premier league managers say that stuff all the time.

I understand their position on it, but it doesn't make it right.

Compare Wane's way of thinking to that of Hull's when we let both Pritchard & Manu leave mid-season to captain their countries.

If O'Loughlin wants to retire from international RL, it should be his decision.

We've already got an international game that's a joke, the last thing we need is coaches choosing whether their players play. It should be the players desicion, and if he's fit he should be available.

Putting Clubs and in the Aussies case SOO first is part of the reason our international game is where it is.

leroy cudjoe named players and supporters player of the year at giants

yes a terrible season but still performing well is leroy, hope he retains his place for england

Jean, it would be far more subtle if you just started a thread called "My 100 favourite non abbreviated boys first names".
I'll start. Aaron.

Surely, against France, we should be trying some of the fringe players.
Luke Gale should get a shot, just to see if he can replicate his Cas form at a higher level.

The France game should be used for the team to get used to playing with each other, run through game plan etc to prepare for the 4 Nations. What's the point in setting up the friendly & travelling to France only to field a load of fringe players?

Fully agree with Luke Gale though, I'd have him starting 7 going into this game & the 4 Nations, been great the last 2 years.

I only said some.

A mix of experience and youth, with a chance to look at some of our future players would be a better idea.
IF we go with our strongest 13/17, France would be blown away, which serves no purpose whatsoever. Therefore put some new/young players in
and see how they go.
Of course, if there are some debutantes who go well, they can either be selected for the 4N or, at the very least, put some pressure on some of the more established players.
Any decent coach should always have one eye on the future.

Could you really class playing France as a higher level to what he's been playing week in week out in Superleague though, I'd back most SL teams to beat France. Just because it's international footy doesn't mean the standards are any higher

France in France is a whole different experience to playing SL down the M62 corridor and if you read the rest of my post, this is precisely the reason for playing some young/new players.

The French national team would be more than a match for any SL side (assuming that they have something close to their first choice 13/17) and pulling on the national jersey will be a new experience for any players that are lucky enough to make their debut.

Also, regarding your disparaging comments about France, how do you compare them to Scotland, who will be one of Englands opponents in the 4N ??

Scotland should do relatively well, considering half the posters on here want the team full of second rates Australians that can't get into heir national team.