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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"or you're version of 'spin' hence your mistake when it came to =#FF0000the dates of what has happened.'"
They used those 6 players to get promoted out of NL 2 , how do I know this ? , I watched them score the try's against Leigh in 2007
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You mean like Hull KR qualifying for the play offs using their overseas dispensation and more overseas players than anyone else and as such another member club didnt get the increased visibility, bigger attendances and better players a play-off appearance brings?
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They have players playing who dont have the correct work permits or Visa's ?
Better tell the RFL or HM border control straight away
Not actually here or working ilegally are they
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to =#FF0000fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money=#FF0000 bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, =#FF0000offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an =#FF0000SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 =#FF0000SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years =#FF0000in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
Who was discussing SL ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved =#FF0000organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
Organic as in putting lots of ' bull ' on something and hoping it grows ? , your right , that has been tried , maybe if we put some money instead it might work
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
=#FF0000Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
So putting a club in the Championships isn't a good way of trying to produce a Championship club ? , maybe your right , we seem to put clubs in SL and end up with Championship level clubs all the time
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, =#FF0000if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
Maybe take a ' cash bond ' off them at the start instead , that would prevent them from ' bumping ' their ' holding company ' and paying nothing
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. =#FF0000Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
We already have
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They used those 6 players to get promoted out of NL 2 , how do I know this ? , I watched them score the try's against Leigh in 2007'"
Did anyone say any different? Have the UKba ruled crusaders where at fault or are they in on your mental conspiracy too?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Who was discussing SL ?'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Organic as in putting lots of ' bull ' on something and hoping it grows ? , your right , that has been tried , maybe if we put some money instead it might work'"
You mean like leighten Samuel did?
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I have an hour to waste before a meeting and doctors is on tv. I need something to occupy me
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| Quote ="Starbug"Maybe take a ' cash bond ' off them at the start instead , that would prevent them from ' bumping ' their ' holding company ' and paying nothing'"
yeah double the cost of operating for a couple of years, that would definitely make us more attractive to investors and new areas. genius!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Did anyone say any different? Have the UKba ruled crusaders where at fault or are they in on your mental conspiracy too?'"
You posted this
Quote or you're version of 'spin' hence your mistake when it came =#FF0000to the dates of what has happened'" .
This led me to believe that you thought those players with the wrong visa's only played in NL 1 and SL , when in fact they also helped the club get promoted out of NL 2
If you meant something else , away you go , explain yourself ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no but the reliance on overseas players (which you defended) denies clubs in exactly the same way crusaders did (which you have criticised) the individual players paperwork is irrelevant to the consequences which.are the same'"
I think HKR are wrong to do what they are doing , but I understand why , I understand their ' mitigating circumstances ' , and I have no doubt given a reasonable amount of time they will start to produce more players of their own
But they aren't actually breaking any RFL rules let alone laws of the land , if you suggest they are , I've no doubt you can provide us with the ' Evidence '
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So we were discussing SL ?
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Quote A suggestion , how about the RFL find a nice little [ 5,000 capacity non/lower league football stadium maybe 40/50 miles from the heartlands [ maybe the west midlands , somewhere like Stoke they set aside 300 K per season to set up and run a club , they encourage some Lancashire/Cheshire SL clubs to provide 4/5 dual reg players , they give the club a 4 player oversea quota , find and pay a young ex SL player as a general manager/coach and enter this club into Championship 1
They commit to 3 seasons with a provision for another 3 financially , but they make this club excempt from being promoted to the Championship for as long as they are providing over 100 K funding Expansion sensibly all out in the open without rushing things and without upsetting your existing members
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Has it been tried at lower tier properly ? , thing is you get 4/5 times as long for the same money , or you get 3/4 times as many goes at it for the same money
You're pessimistic ? , we're suicidal '"
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| Quote ="tb"catching up are you?
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Yes thanks
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You mean like leighten Samuel did?'"
Did he ? , are you sure ? , how much RFL ' development ' money went through his company ?
And even if he did , is that really what we want , ' short term fixes ' as long as things are going to ' plan ' , then as soon as things arent they pull the plug then sue the people who have tried to carry the club into the future ?
Very reliable
And what were his actual motives , have a successful RL club , or just pish of the welsh RU for not playing ball , one thing is for certain , the citizens of Bridgend didn't have a good word to say for him , in fact I'm struggling to see anybody who has a good word to say for him at all
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This led me to believe that you thought those players with the wrong visa's only played in NL 1 and SL , when in fact they also helped the club get promoted out of NL 2
If you meant something else , away you go , explain yourself ?'" I could go back and highlight where you made the mistake, but it would be a waste of time as you have made the same error again.
The players who had the wrong visa's didnt play under the wrong visa's when in SL, which was what TonyGee incorrectly stated (among other things), which you backed up and have made the same assertion again here.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yeah double the cost of operating for a couple of years, that would definitely make us more attractive to investors and new areas. genius!'"
As I have stated before , it would sort out the ' Dreamers ' from the ' real deal ' or maybe you would rather somebody like Mr Vaughan or Mr Hope be allowed to take over a club again ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"I think HKR are wrong to do what they are doing , but I understand why , I understand their ' mitigating circumstances ' , and I have no doubt given a reasonable amount of time they will start to produce more players of their own
But they aren't actually breaking any RFL rules let alone laws of the land , if you suggest they are , I've no doubt you can provide us with the ' Evidence '
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Neither did Crusaders, hence the lack of censure from the RFL and the fine of only £5k for a regulatory infraction rather than the £60k which would have been fined from the UKBA had Crusaders been found guilty of not meeting the requirements for employing said players.
Why cant you understand the mitigating circumstances that faced Crusaders and why do you doubt given reasonable time they will start to produce more players of their own?
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