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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes they will '"
No, they won't. There are criteria other than just on-field performance/
Quote ="Starbug"to be promoted they will have to finish in a promotion place ON the pitch , unlike RL'"
Just a different criteria. Very short termist IMO.
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| Quote ="Richie"No, they won't. There are criteria other than just on-field performance/
Just a different criteria. Very short termist IMO.'"
fylde will have to win promotion on the pitch , then afterwards their suitability off the pitch will be taken into account , just as it used to be in RL before licensing
No different
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| Quote ="Richie"Good for Fylde. How dramatically does that differ to e.g. Hemel? You're not going to go through promotion/relegation between each league based solely on on-field results. Neither would an RL team.
Or would you prefer to have a system like rugby league, where instead of being dependant on the vagaries of results, you could earn your promotions on the strength of the club, rather than simply the strength of the team?'"
AFAIN Hemel would be unable to gain promotion to the games highest league if they entered the Championships as they would need to apply for a franchise, they could win all games and move to a new ground but still not get in.
We just need to ensure our ground remains updated (fully within our control) with each step of the ladder (not a unjustified requirement in my book), the rest takes care of itself on the field (again within our control - along with that all important luck !).
This applys right across the board, indeed one of our big neighbours Blackpool have just had to rapidly build a new stand following there recent on field success which earned them a higher league placing, a requirement I'm sure they wasn't too bothered with.
If offered we probably would take a higher league jumpfor "free" !
However our foundations may be weakened as currently we are building up our support and our youth set ups, we have a broadly achievable plan (baring major failures) putting us in a higher division would be totally unfair on those clubs currently above us working very hard to achieve a higher league placing and we could end up with a foundation built on sand should things go wrong.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you cannot be promoted to the premiership without meeting certain criteria'"
Answer the question please
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| Quote ="maurice"Answer the question please'" no club has, they have all met the necessary criteria to do so, though im not sure what that proves.
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| Quote ="maurice"Answer the question please'"
If Shorpe won the Championship, do you think they'd be promoted?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no club has, they have all met the necessary criteria to do so, though im not sure what that proves.'"
It proves that football is actually a sport , primarily based On on field performance , Wimbledon FC proved that
rather than a laughing stock
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"If Shorpe won the Championship, do you think they'd be promoted?'"
Almost certainly , as long as they found a stadium to play in of sufficient standard
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| Quote ="Starbug"Almost certainly , as long as they found a stadium to play in of sufficient standard'"
And if they couldn't?
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"And if they couldn't?'"
Then they wouldn't
Just out of interest , what is the criteria for entry into the premiership ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"It proves that football is actually a sport , primarily based On on field performance , Wimbledon FC proved that
rather than a laughing stock'"
Whilst MK Dons did what you're so mad about the Crusaders doing ![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif)
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| Who gives a ? about MK Dons. They are not in a false position, they are where they are based on their achievements in a sporting context, they have not been told they will be in the premiership in 3 years regardless, they are not playing to rules different from other clubs in the division, all their players are probably here legally and their coach is not paid by the FA
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| Quote ="Starbug"possibly quite different , Fylde despite being in close proximity to Blackpool would not have to satisfy a location criteria ,'"
Neither does any RL club. Clubs with SL licences for 2009-11 received a point in the licence grading - but it's not a criterion for moving from the conference to the conference premier, from there into the championships or from the championships in to super league. Despite your constant misdirections.
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| Quote ="Starbug"It proves that football is actually a sport , primarily based On on field performance , Wimbledon FC proved that
rather than a laughing stock'"
Exeter 1994, 2003
Bournemouth 1997, 2008
Darlington 1997, 2009
Chester 1998, 2009
Portsmouth 1999, 2010
Crystal Palace 1999, 2010
Oxford Utd 1999
Barrow 1999
Swindon 2000, 2002
Scarborough 2000
Hull 2001
QPR 2001
Chesterfield 2001
Leicester 2002
Barnsley 2002
Carlisle 2002
Notts County 2002
Bury 2002
Bradford 2002
Port Vale 2002
Lincoln City 2002
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York 2002
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Derby 2003
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Oldham 2003
MK Dons 2003
Wimbledon 2003
Wrexham 2004
Cambridge 2005
Crawley Town 2006
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Leeds United 2007
Boston United 2007
Southampton 2008
Luton 2008
Stockport 2009
Salisbury 2009
Portsmouth 2010
Crystal Palace 2010
seems to be working out quite well for them, or maybe not
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Exeter 1994, 2003
Bournemouth 1997, 2008
Darlington 1997, 2009
Chester 1998, 2009
Portsmouth 1999, 2010
Crystal Palace 1999, 2010
Oxford Utd 1999
Barrow 1999
Swindon 2000, 2002
Scarborough 2000
Hull 2001
QPR 2001
Chesterfield 2001
Leicester 2002
Barnsley 2002
Carlisle 2002
Notts County 2002
Bury 2002
Bradford 2002
Port Vale 2002
Lincoln City 2002
Swansea City 2002
York 2002
Halifax Town 2002, 2008
Derby 2003
Ipswich 2003
Huddersfield 2003
Oldham 2003
MK Dons 2003
Wimbledon 2003
Wrexham 2004
Cambridge 2005
Crawley Town 2006
Rotherham 2006, 2008
Leeds United 2007
Boston United 2007
Southampton 2008
Luton 2008
Stockport 2009
Salisbury 2009
Portsmouth 2010
Crystal Palace 2010
seems to be working out quite well for them, or maybe not'"
Go on , give us a clue ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Go on , give us a clue ?'"
its a list of clubs in the last 11 years who have gone into adminstration, almost all were relegated in the preceeding 3 years to going into administraion.
40 clubs at a qucik count, not a bad total considering there are only 112 in the premiership and football league
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its a list of clubs in the last 11 years who have gone into adminstration, almost all were relegated in the preceeding 3 years to going into administraion.
40 clubs at a qucik count, not a bad total considering =#BF0000there are only 112 in the premiership and football league'"
Aren't there 92?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its a list of clubs in the last 11 years who have gone into adminstration, almost all were relegated in the preceeding 3 years to going into administraion.
40 clubs at a qucik count, not a bad total considering there are only 112 in the premiership and football league'"
They're rushing in a License system and scrapping P&R as a result.
Aren't they? ![ASK icon_ask.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_ask.gif)
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its a list of clubs in the last 11 years who have gone into adminstration, almost all were relegated in the preceeding 3 years to going into administraion.
40 clubs at a qucik count, not a bad total considering there are only 112 in the premiership and football league'"
that's why we have a salary cap
All were relegated then went into administration , so basically they overspent by giving out long term contracts that could not be honoured , something that isn,t a problem in RL
So your point is what exactly ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"that's why we have a salary cap'" But you told me we had a salary cap to spread the talent not keep costs down?
Also, surely if the aim of the cap is to protect clubs from overspending it should have some link to the amount clubs can actually
afford to spend and not simply be an arbitrary amount?
Quote All were relegated then went into administration , so basically they overspent by giving out long term contracts that could not be honoured , something that isn,t a problem in RL
So your point is what exactly ?'"
well im pretty sure any club, anywhere, which goes into administration 'basically overspent'
my point is promotion and relegation has massively damaged clubs in football just as it has in RL,
Since Leeds utd were relegate they have sold their stadium, sold their training ground, and dismantled one of the most successful youth academies in the country, was Leeds Utds relegation good for football? no, clearly not. It severely damaged one of its top clubs, it meant the club lost its stadium and training ground and it lost a very successful youth academy.
But hey, im sure the clubs which were promoted benefited right? im sure Norwich, Crystal Palace and West Brom went on to be a great success yeah? oh..............
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Aren't there 92?'"
there is indeed, for some reason i counted the premier league twice
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Since Leeds utd were relegate they have sold their stadium, sold their training ground, and dismantled one of the most successful youth academies in the country, was Leeds Utds relegation good for football? no, clearly not. It severely damaged one of its top clubs, it meant the club lost its stadium and training ground and it lost a very successful youth academy.'"
So why hasn't the soccer world seen fit to protect such clubs from dumb-assed Chairmen? West Brom seem to be content with yo-yo ing without cocking their finances up. Have Burnley financially imploded? Some club owners are more sensible than others - that's business as they say. And it is business these days, not a sport so lay off the intervention - let the free market rule ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"there is indeed, for some reason i counted the premier league twice'"
You are Peter Ridsdale ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="littlerich"So why hasn't the soccer world seen fit to protect such clubs from dumb-assed Chairmen? West Brom seem to be content with yo-yo ing without cocking their finances up. Have Burnley financially imploded? Some club owners are more sensible than others - that's business as they say. And it is business these days, not a sport so lay off the intervention - let the free market rule
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no they havent, but 40 out of 92 clubs did. Thats nearly 44% of clubs in the past 11 years have gone into administration, some a few times.
And if we want to run the business as a free market, there is one far more obvious intervention that we would need to get rid of ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote Quote ="SmokeyTA"
my point is promotion and relegation has massively damaged clubs in football just as it has in RL,
Since Leeds utd were relegate they have sold their stadium, sold their training ground, and dismantled one of the most successful youth academies in the country, was Leeds Utds relegation good for football? no, clearly not. It severely damaged one of its top clubs, it meant the club lost its stadium and training ground and it lost a very successful youth academy.
But hey, im sure the clubs which were promoted benefited right? im sure Norwich, Crystal Palace and West Brom went on to be a great success yeah? oh..............'" '" '"
Relegation didn't,t damage Leeds Utd , a stupid muppet in charge damaged Leeds Utd , spending thousands on tropical fish tanks and gambling on the bounce of the ball to get Champions league money certainly did
as I put , the same problem doesn't,t exist in RL because the contracts are different , if they had those contracts in football Leeds wouldn't,t be in the mess they are in
P and R is not perfect , just like the world we live in is not perfect , Licencing is not perfect , there is no perfect answer
I have accepted that licensing is here to stay for the foreseeable future , I don't like it or agree with it , what I won't accept though is lies and deceit from our governing body in their dealings with some clubs and their owners and fans
If they cannot do things honourably they should go , if they haven't the strength to tell the truth they are not fit to hold their positions
if you cannot see that then you are no better than they are , and if that is the case I pity you
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