I'd say we're certainly in danger of it if the move to Wrexham is confirmed (as now seems likely). However, the implication that they would roam at will outside of Wales is what I had a problem with.

Not really much of an excuse, is it? Not for adults anyway.

Flatpansionists.

Or Flatpanners for short.

Please god let the press announcement be about players not moving the club to the other end of Wales!

I'd agree with that

It also presumes that no bile came the other way which is of course nonsense. I was also suggesting that much of it wasn't bile at all but a genuine grievance at a poor decision. Expansionists really struggled to see the difference between this and bile.

why bother doing that? its much better to use someone elses money,

why waste the limited resources the RFL have when Leighton Samuel and now others are happy to use theirs?

also: why is there always a random 'thing' either a club or the RFL need to do to to make expansion acceptable? its always different and there is always some 'thing' someone needs to do and then everything is alright

because there is no genuine greivence,

the decision to let celtic in was sepeate to the one to leave Widnes out, Celtics (supposed) failure impacts in no way on Widnes success,

There were a fixed number of places. THe decision to give Celtic a slot meant one less for the other teams.

It is clear that when "others" money runs out then the RFL is then asked to pick up the pieces.

there wasnt, the bids were taken into account before the number of clubs was decided

(i dont accept your premise, but thats another argument)

So Why would the RFL taking this loss on from the start be a better thing?

Link ?

Possibly so that it succeeds

And soyou can find something else to blame the big bad RFL for

Quote ="Starbug"Link ?'" Think this covers it... news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 323426.stm

Quote ="Starbug"Link ?'" Think this covers it... news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 323426.stm

Always been my opinion that if you want something done properly , do it yourself

If you have people promising things , they quite often let you down , especially where it involves them putting in their money to achieve those promises

Quote ="Steve Fox"Think this covers it... news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 323426.stm'" Not really , it states they are looking to expand from 12 to 14 , not that they will put in as many clubs as submit good enough applications in their opinion , so 14 being the limit in that statement

Quote ="Steve Fox"Think this covers it... news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 323426.stm'" Not really , it states they are looking to expand from 12 to 14 , not that they will put in as many clubs as submit good enough applications in their opinion , so 14 being the limit in that statement

You'll admit, though, that it does cover the point in question? Which is all I claimed for it.

FWIW I agree that it tends to support your case rather than otherwise.

I thought Gateshead was the basket case of all basket cases of expansion but looks like Crusaders are doing their damndest to wrestle the title!

I'd love to know what the RFL were looking at when they looked at the Crusaders long term financial forcasts as part of the license review!

Seems Samuels is only just realising how much of his money it will take to keep crusaders afloat in SL and he's not a happy investor!

Crusaders to Wrexham, permanantly

interesting...

Why not go the whole hog and move them to Widnes

Because at least they would be in control of events.