So no it doesnt then, it was a much inferior competition which you just said was superior even though it wasnt because as well as being an idiot, and hypocrite your also a liar, glad we have that cleared up then dally.



And i know where rl is played in aus i was just trying to draw you into making yourself look like an idiot again (for about the 20th time in the last fortnight).

When did wigan and leeds develop rl outside there own area? come on dally i want examples

you couldnt make it up

You couldn't, which is why we should leave the discussing for people who aren't complete idiots who contradict themselves time and time again.

Dally-free zone remember.

A wonderful rant. And entirely based on the premise that I argued that everyone who opposed Celtic opposed them for the same reason, and all opposed Catalans as well. Yet sadly, if you are able to read English, it's quite clear that's not what I said at all. Try reading again. I don't do blanket stereotypes. That's why I used the phrase :

"there's some double-think going on which suits the [iprejudices of those who are ultimately opposed to any expansion [/ibecause they fear that it threatens the place of smaller "traditional" clubs"

Your assumption is that this means anyone who was lukewarm on Celtic. Yet it clearly does not say that. Which makes the rest of what you wrote ultimately irrlevant.

I also used the phrase : "There are people on these boards who were implacable in their opposition to Catalans". Note that I didn't claim, at any point, that all those who opposed the Celtic move opposed Catalans.

So your rant about generalising is, I'm afraid, based on a mistaken reading on your part of what I said. Which is a shame, because you clearly put some effort into it.

They weren't. People only watched the local sports teams until mass ownership of cars meant that they could chose which team they wanted to follow and televisation meant you could be an armchair fan.



They didn't. There is a direct trsin line from my home town to Headingley, it takes less than 30 minutes, yet there is no rugby league played in my home town and never has been.

Do yourself a favour and stop! It won't compute. He won't understand. And if he does understand and realise he is wrong, he will reply with either nothing or this...

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Quote ="bowes"If we could afford it then under very special circumstances it could be justified. However, the game can't www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -mess.html If anything we might have to go back to 12 and cut the salary cap at some point. We don't have money to bail out a club like Crusaders, though I would hope to see something done to ensure a Championship or Championship 1 club stays around in South Wales. Before you say anything the same goes if a heartland club (or Harlequins) folds, just Crusaders are the one most at risk. The real problem is the removal of the 50% of turnover rule to just have a flat salary cap. That is the only flat cap harming the game and it causes clubs (like Hull KR) to recklessly overspend in the name of success when they couldn't before'" im showing how other sports back themselves when it comes to expansion. then theres you guys. a marked contrast

Quote ="bowes"If we could afford it then under very special circumstances it could be justified. However, the game can't www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -mess.html If anything we might have to go back to 12 and cut the salary cap at some point. We don't have money to bail out a club like Crusaders, though I would hope to see something done to ensure a Championship or Championship 1 club stays around in South Wales. Before you say anything the same goes if a heartland club (or Harlequins) folds, just Crusaders are the one most at risk. The real problem is the removal of the 50% of turnover rule to just have a flat salary cap. That is the only flat cap harming the game and it causes clubs (like Hull KR) to recklessly overspend in the name of success when they couldn't before'" im showing how other sports back themselves when it comes to expansion. then theres you guys. a marked contrast

there are no RL clubs in australia as poor as leigh

so i have no credibility and you keep trying to debate with me?

stop now

I agree

its a breath of fresh air seeing someone posting this kind of stuff.

im actually a little jealous i wasnt able to put out my thought in such a considered manner as your first post.

all these people claiming they knew LEs Cats were going to succeed beforehand are full of it

Where the hell have I been shown up you donut?

Jeez, I must be typing in Swahili. I was asked a quaetion and I gave an answer based on my argument that has been consistent all along.

I will say it again, now read slowly;

It is nigh on impossible to simply create a new team from scratch and expect it to compete at the highest level in rag time.

Those who have tried it in the past without the iron will and pots of cash have unfortunately found out the hard way.

It wasn't that difficult. Les Catalans playing in a region where they play RL. Merged from two RL playing clubs. They stood more of a chance than these:

Celtic: playing in a region where they don't play RL. Where RU is king.
Paris: playing in a region where they don't play RL.
London: playing in a region where they don't play RL.

Is it that simple? Possibly. It is mighty difficult planting a sport in a region that doesn't play it or has no history or affinity to it. The NFL, with it's vast amount of wealth couldn't manage it - London Monarchs anyone?

This is the situation now but not necessarily for the future. We are to be encouraged by the amount of RL being played at junior level in the capital and who knows where this may take the game there. One thing is for sure - for expansionism to work we have to play the long game. Patience, faith and lots of cash is required.

Further to my earlier reply, Roys question may have been excellent but where did I say a club had to start from the amateur level to warrant his question?

Amateur teams are set up, by and large in neighbourhoods of towns/cities usually to represent a group of friends or workmates from that area, not as a flagship club of that town/city/province.

It is a whole different argument than setting up a professional outfit and one which requires, compared to a professional outfit, minimal investment and resources.

HTH.

Good idea , do you think if they ask nicely the government will change the laws on gambling in this country so we can fund our sport in the same way that RL in Australia has been ' bailed out ' for decades ?

Without the money from the ' pokey ' machines RL in oz would be on a par with NL's

Do you want to try again ?

you were asked a really good question which exposed you.

keep squirming, im enjoying it.

all i read on internet forums from people like you was that france was a waste of time because PSG failed. none of you guys ever said its got a good chance of working

when low and behold it did work out you changed the argument to make them the exception to the rule ie they only worked because they really were a heartland team after all

as was pointed out before, RU was far more dominant in peripgnan. USAP have a massive budget on players and indeed, denied the ground for use to Les Cats.

but you can make it up as you go along

Listen di[ick[/ihead. Trawl through my posts and see where i've said that. I've NEVER said France was a waste of time - NEVER. You're making things up to feed your pathetic trolling posts. I've hinted that Paris would be a difficult process and i wouldn't advocate doing this again but i've NEVER said [uFrance [/uwas a waste of time.


Did i? Find the post(s) where this has happened?


I'll leave that to you - you do it so well.

See there you go again. Commenting on expansion when you don't support it in your own country. Corkcappers like you should be ashamed of your attitude towards expansion.

yes or no - are you in favour of expansion in france?

Please explain your hypothesis that somehow "poor clubs" have prevented geographical expansion of the game.