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| Quote ="JB Down Under"and their competitive contribution to SL will be so much the better for it, NOT!'"
Of course it will , they'll blood a load of youngsters , get mullered and any that show promise will leave for nothing
Result for SL
Wakefield who ?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"and their competitive contribution to SL will be so much the better for it, NOT!'"
We will see.
What we do know is that putting out squads filled with overseas players and being competitive hasnt made Wakefield sustainable.
Maybe when people stop looking at being competitive this season as the only aim of their existence they can put the necessary effort into making sure they are competitive and sustainable for a long time.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Of course it will , they'll blood a load of youngsters , get mullered and any that show promise will leave for nothing
Result for SL
Wakefield who ?'"
Result for everyone, including Wakefield.
If they are to survive and come back stronger, it will be based on going back to the strength of the local game, not by shipping in players who were never good enough for the NRL, thats what got them here in the first place.
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| and putting out a weaker squad of young home grown talent that got whopped every week is a better business model for sustainability?
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| Quote ="Starbug" Hull FCA'"
Just 'coz I have a patent pending on HKA...no need to jump on the bandwagon
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| Apparantly Radio Humberside have announced that Hull FC are going to announce the signing of an up and coming British player today. Wouldn't be suprised if it's Murphy.
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| Gotta feel so sorry for the Wakefield fans in all this.
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| theres gonna be little point in them carrying on this season at this rate
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"theres gonna be little point in them carrying on this season at this rate'"
If there is one coach who can turn this negative into a positive it's John Kear. Wakefield previously had some great talent in the academy ranks who hadn't make it through to senior level. I know some left but if they blood these youngsters and allow them to have a no fear attitude there may be some shocks. After all Wakefield are the team to shock the big boys.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"and their competitive contribution to SL will be so much the better for it, NOT!'"
Yes but losing less than average nuffys like Millard Jeffries and Obst won't mean they are weaker, blessing in disguise.
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| Horrible what is going, best of luck to them.
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| It's a sad state of affairs. What happened with the buy-out? Was it really wealthy people or not? I also would think a few clubs have their eye on Josh Vievers.
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| Millard Gone To Catalans according to a text from Ron Hill ive just recieved
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| There was always a danger that the system would create a lame duck and that seems to be what has happened. If I was spirit of 1873 I'd be deeply disappointed that my options and opportunities had been so limited by the adminsitrators. Why cough up for a club that is being effectively liquidated and driven ever faster towards the championships? I'd be tempted to start over from scratch now.
Chances have gone from slim to vanishing.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Gotta feel so sorry for the Wakefield fans in all this.'"
I agree it's a terrible for the Wakefield fans. No supporter deserves this.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"and putting out a weaker squad of young home grown talent that got whopped every week is a better business model for sustainability?
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It will almost certainly leave them with more to build with
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| Quote ="Mild Rover" If I was spirit of 1873 I'd be deeply disappointed that my options and opportunities had been so limited by the adminsitrators. '"
The administrators have no duty towards the failed business, the supporters or the potential buyers. Their duty is towards raising funds to pay the creditors. In this case, the business has a number of saleable assets (namely the players) that can be sold. In any other business it would be things like freehold property or plant and machinery for example.
If you buy a business coming out of administration you can't realistically expect it to emerge with the same assets it went into administration with.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The administrators have no duty towards the failed business, the supporters or the potential buyers. Their duty is towards raising funds to pay the creditors. In this case, the business has a number of saleable assets (namely the players) that can be sold. In any other business it would be things like freehold property or plant and machinery for example.
If you buy a business coming out of administration you can't realistically expect it to emerge with the same assets it went into administration with.'"
Oh, absolutely. But there are different ways of securing value for the creditors. If I was So1873, I'd now be cutting what I was willing to pay the creditors by roughly the transfer fees received for Obst, Ferguson et al. Or saying f' it, go ahead and liquidise, there is nothing left worth saving. This may or may not be better for the creditors.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The administrators have no duty towards the failed business, the supporters or the potential buyers. Their duty is towards raising funds to pay the creditors. In this case, the business has a number of saleable assets (namely the players) that can be sold. In any other business it would be things like freehold property or plant and machinery for example.
If you buy a business coming out of administration you can't realistically expect it to emerge with the same assets it went into administration with.'"
But isn't it shortsighted and irresponsible of the administrators to sell (presumably at knockdown prices) the most necessary assets that can allow the business to run as a going concern in the future?
It's like a t-shirt business going into administration, and the administrators selling off the printing machinery to rival manufacturers and paying some money to the creditors (minus substantial administration costs, of course). After which the business can't make any t-shirts.
The only legitimate reason for doing it is if the thinking is that the business, even with its most necessary assets intact, will *never* be profitable, so in effect it's not an administration it's a winding up.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"The only legitimate reason for doing it is if the thinking is that the business, even with its most necessary assets intact, will *never* be profitable, so in effect it's not an administration it's a winding up.'"
That's just not true.
Look, the Administrators don;'t walk into a job like this with buckets full of cash, ready to pay wages, rent, rates, trade creditors etc. They are having to trade a loss-making business and have the costs associated with that, until such time as somebody decides to buy the club.
They can't sit around racking up costs and not having a plan to pay for them. What if all the proposed purchasers pull out? How do they pay salaries then?
They are taking these steps to pay for the process that could eventually save the club. No Administration, no Wakefield.
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| The administrator HAS to get the maximum amount of cash into any business to pay off creditors. If they get a "reasonable" offer for an asset of the business they will sell.
Whether it is good RL business is a different question.
It's happened before (Leeds screwed the Cougars), it's happening now and WILL happen again in the future.
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| I was wrong.
I assumed this was going to be a prepack.
Maybe it was with Parkin before he pulled out (what nasties maybe did the due dilligence uncover?) - dunno - but it clearly is not now, if indeed it ever was.
On that basis, God help the Wakey fans.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"
If you buy a business coming out of administration you can't realistically expect it to emerge with the same assets it went into administration with.'"
Crusaders didn't do too badly though.Went into administration in November and allegedly came out of administration on Christmas Eve.Much larger reported debt and still managed to sign players during that time and sold one player to Leeds.
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| Quote ="TwoBlues"Crusaders didn't do too badly though.Went into administration in November and allegedly came out of administration on Christmas Eve.Much larger reported debt and still managed to sign players during that time and sold one player to Leeds.'"
But they promised to pay back their largest debt and had a ground to mortgage.
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