Charnley wouldnt have continously driven forwards back when carrying the ball or won penalties by getting quickly to his feet either.

I also thought Briscoe was poor throughout the game and looked out of place. One of the few players I thought had an ordinary game. Will have to see a replay though

i suggest you do watch the game again, his ball return is one of the best in superleague, compared to the reed/hall partnership, briscoe and yeaman were under used once again

I suggest you try watching the game without Hull FC glasses on. Briscoe was mediocre and Yeaman was pants.

The whole team played well, only thing that let us down was goal kicking and the ref. Stop bickering!!

Really? That was one of my main criticisms of him! Thought his ball return was sub-standard and lacking in any sort of confidence of enthusiasm.

I will watch again when sober, but from what I saw after a few drinks his kick returns were woeful and hugely lethargic and ineffective. Granted I might be in the minority. I noticed the commentators hooting and hollering when he ran to the line and made about 5 meters by crabbing across field

While I was sat at my TV swearing at him for being

How was Williams high shot on Westwood any different to Edwards on Clyde or Morley on Kearns?

Should have been sent off and unless we reach the final it will be Wales and NZ who benefit from his suspension which is sod all use to England.

Chase was ineffective again, missed a few vital tackles, turned the ball over to Australia from a naive decision to go for touch on a 20mtr drop out resulting in a try for Austala.

Threw a stupid intercept result, try to Australia.

Referee gave some poor and one eyed decisions agains England, well done Tim Sheens, starting with a harsh penalty early doors on Weswood, penalising Westwood again for a fair tackle on Thaiday, Briscoes no try/try, Yeaman tackled/not tackled etc..

McNamaras pi55 poor decision to exclude Carvell was another factor.

We shouldn't have needed to have relied on Sinfield converting the kicks and the referee not being . We had ample opportunity to score 40 points from tries alone. But every time we got into the Aus 20m zone we made an error and handed over possession.

You can't put that inefficiency on the ref or Sinfield. We should have won IN SPITE of those 2 things.

Was probably a yellow but you're talking wet. Australia had some terrible calls against them, especially in the first half.

Westwood pushed the boundaries all game. I'm surprised he wasn't sin binned, to be completely honest with you. He deserved too - A long with Watmough.

I agree Yeaman was poor, but I really dont know what game you were watching if you thought Briscoe had a bad game. fwiw I thought Reed was the worst of our backs. Cost us a try by shooting out of the line and aside from his try (great take) he did nothing else. In fact it would surprise me if someone said he touched the ball more than three times.

sam tomkins runs across the field crab style, i suppose that makes him sub-standard!

Think your the one talking crap fella, Williams should have seen a red card and in the rule book you can't sin bin for foul play.

Westwood was superb throughout, if your looking for someone who pushed he boundaries look no further than Gallen.

Wasn't Reed's fault that try was scored. Was abysmal goal line defending from Tomkins and whoever else was there. There was ample time and room to smash the Australian and prevent a try.

Switch roles and the Australians would have prevented that try, with or without one of their rushing up out of the line

But the difference is when Sam Tomkins ran across the field he drew defenders and either played his man into a break or made a break himself. Briscoe runs up - very, very slowly - and is tackled. He poses no threat and is completely ineffective.

I don't know if we get opta stats from these games but it'd be interesting to send how many tackle busts Briscoe made for someone who is 'completely ineffective'.

did he not make breaks at all? chase down thurston or even set up 3 trys?



Nah your right he is terrible shouldn't even be professional rugby player

Red card for an accidental high shot? Give over. Was nothing malicious about it and Westwood milked it for all it was worth.

If an England played was red carded for a similar incident nobody on here - yourself included - would view the decision as the right one.

And Westwood was superb. But if we're talking about players deserving to be binned for ing about in the ruck then Westwood was the worst offender on the field.

Not sure what you're talking about Gallen for, this isn't 2008. He didn't do much interfering or slowing down at all. Westwood, Watmough and Smith were the key offenders tonight.

Thurston is slow. It was shocking that he managed to make as much ground as he did on that break.

When everyone on the thread minus Bulls4Champ is disagreeing with you, it's time to think maybe you should wait till you watch the game sober before commenting.

Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"I don't know if we get opta stats from these games but it'd be interesting to send how many tackle busts Briscoe made for someone who is 'completely ineffective'.'" Briscoe broke one tackle and made 0 line breaks. live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match11779.html

Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"I don't know if we get opta stats from these games but it'd be interesting to send how many tackle busts Briscoe made for someone who is 'completely ineffective'.'" Briscoe broke one tackle and made 0 line breaks. live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match11779.html

I wouldn't say "everyone" is disagreeing with me. 3 people have disagreed with me. And it's fallacious to think that because an opinion is unpopular that is must be wrong.

Briscoe was flat today. Any average winger could have played as well as him.

In what way was Williams tackle different to Ewards or Morley?

It was a straight sending off offence and accidental, lazy or any other defence doesn't make any difference.

Mate, are you taking the here or what? Edwards and Morley are 2 of the worst, most insane high and blatant high shots that you'll ever see in a game of Rugby.

Williams went to make a bog standard tackle and caught Westwood high. Was nothing malicious, Westwood milked it and it looked terrible because Williams is a monster of a man. If little Billy Slater accidently sticks a man with his forearm like that the game plays on and nobody gives a .

That was a yellow card. It's a red card on Rugby Union, in Rugby League it's a yellow.

Back from Wembley. Funny game.

First thoughts were that Australia played well within themselves. England seemed to think they are better than they are and, for me, did not play flat out.

A few more mobile and skillful players like Tomkins and we'd create alot more.

Reed is a liability when defending close to the line and gave away a couple of tries.

Ref. made a couple of shocking decisions and lost control for a few minutes second half. He was out of his depth and seemed unsure of the rules.

Whoever decide on the kick from the tap - coach or player (who was it?) should immediately be dropped and never represent England again. Most ridiculous thing I can recall seeing in decades.

Overall, a game that had its moments but one that turned out flat and a bit of a flop for me.

ok what about setting up 3 trys? or making the breaks? i think your just trying to be awkward now.

if you think tomkins was poo then darius boyd must be horse e.