If you feel that way , ask the RFL , they're the ones making the rules

you know when you deleted a bit from my post so you could make this one?
well that bit you deleted was the relevant part. It also explained why it was relevant. Which leads me to ask why you felt the need to delete it then ask for it putting again?

hmmm, what a strange response

The RFL rules dont include a law which states some Widnes fans need to show a sense of entitlement. Maybe the international rules do. Ill have a look

Back on topic.

Whilst at work yesterday, a fellow Rovers' fan said that whilst listening to the start of BBC Radio Humberside's Sports Talk programme on Tuesday night 29th Dec, David Burns allegedly stated he believed the HDM reports regarding Rovers to be £3M in debt to be "not right" having spoken to a figure "high up" at Rovers.

David Burns allegedly stated that he understands the HDM have based the £3M figure on "one sheet" and have not taken into account other factors such as £1M+ in season passes alone amongst other factors and he allegedly understands a more accurate figure to be around the £1M bracket.

Whilst David Burns loves his football, I do know he has a very good relationship with the Rovers board and Radio Humberside's track record in terms of it's accuracy of reporting of Rugby League is generally proven to be very accurate.

I like many others initially made the mistake of taking the £3M figure at face value which demonstrates that at this time, it is more important than ever that Rovers fans trust our Chairman and current in board and are not swayed by stories routed in the extraordinary pressures journalists face to fill column inches and of course the bitter and twisted across the river who will feed like parasites and leeches off such stories whilst they struggle to come to terms with their team and coaches' proven track record of continual and repetitive failure when it comes down to "walking the walk".

Whilst £1M of debt still isn't good reading (at face value) we have to understand that our debts have to be viewed in the context of the necessary investment that was needed as a promoted SL club and also operating at the maximum salary cap. I have total and complete trust in our Chairman and the Board in the direction they are taking the club and I hope my fellow Rovers fans' are too.

You mean this?


How is this relevant, in the context of your interdiction between Starbug and captaincaveman’s posts?

No Widnes fan were involved in it.

We know you havent , he didn't ask you what you had already posted HE ASKED YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION

So is that a yes , or a no ?

Part of Captaincaveman's argument was based on the attitude of some Widnes and Halifax fans showing they believed their clubs to inclusion to almost be a foregone conclusion when this shouldnt be the case

and i answered a simple question with a simple answer

1.5 million in season ticket sales for this season cannot really be used against an existing debt , if that was the case what are you going to pay your players with this season ?

Accounts run yearly for a reason , most sports business accounts run fairly close to the seasons they play in

Not having a go , just telling it the way it is

Why ?

They have basically the best stadium outside SL

They have almost double the fan base of any other club outside SL

They are the only club outside SL with all the relevant junior teams

They have considerable financial backing , probably more than any other club outside SL

They have a proven history of decent support in SL ' better than any other club outside SL and better than many in SL

They have qualified by the RFL's rules to apply in 2012

So you think they shouldn't be very confident ?

Muppet

I think most Widnes fans are realistic about our possible inclusion and have every right to regard ourselves as the best over-all club in the Championship.

You didn't actually mention any that in your replies to Starbug anyway.

They are probably a better bet than the other heartland teams outside SL, but they havent proved they are better than those already in it

and they have yet to show however what they will contribute to super league

see above

Well he's wrong. I haven't read one Halifax fan claim that. Neither has Captaincaveman and neither have you.

id agree its much less pronounced with Halifax fans

but then it is mostly just you we see of them over here

Much less pronounced - as in non existent? As in not one Halifax fan has posted this anywhere. The VT is full of people making assumptions about what fans have said in the past regarding various topics but in particular the "expansion" debate. This is another one of those assumptions - ill founded and "dallyesque".

Calm down fella

Ill admit with Fax fans i havent seen any say it is a foregone conclusion that they should be admitted. Though there is an attitude that certain clubs (and by that i dont just mean Toulouse) arent worthy of being judged in relation to Fax. Though again i am more than prepared to accept this is just from a minority of idiots who are simply idiots. The same with Widnes (though they are more guilty than Fax fans)

Grrrrrrrr !!!






I don't think it's levelled at any one club per se but against the way the RFL handles the whole franchising system (but that's an issue which has been done to death on these forums). Actually, if you go on the Halifax forum and look at the Toulouse thread (when the 2010 fixtures were recently announced) it's full of positives about the away fixture and the trip. The only one's moaning are those that can't make it.

I'll certainly concede though that gripes were made all year long about Celtic Crusaders' inclusion.

Is there? Havent noticed this.

Surely its impossible for any club outside SL to prove they better than those already in it. Playing strength, attendances, ability to attract sponsorships, ability to attract decent youth players etc etc are all in the SL clubs favour when comparing a SL club to a Championship club.

There are clubs in SL who are failing on certain criteria - some on stadia, some on attendances, some on youth development, some on a quite a few areas, so surely a club like Widnes deserve a chance in the short to medium term, even if the general concensus is that clubs like Widnes are not a long term solution.

If we deny Widnes based on the theory that no heartland clubs should be invited into SL and we are aiming at this idealogical future where SL only contains massive city clubs, then all town clubs, even ones like Warrington and Saints won't be welcome in SL, never mind Widnes. Until then, IMO, all clubs deserve their chance to prove themselves, no matter where they are from. For what its worth, as things stand, I can't ever see the day where RL is played or attended nationally to any great degree in major cities. If the RFL want to go with Widnes until bigger clubs are in a position to apply, that would do for me.

next year and they are asked to move up a year earlier

And that in itself will then create a whole hornets nest of other problems

What if they got relegated? What if they had a disasterous season ala Leigh and ended up being relegated? I know, it's as improbable as my silly suggestions about what would happen if a Championship side got to Wembley in the CC but really crazy things happen in Sport.

And..what if Toulouse get to the Grand Final..

Then that depends on how the RFL have worded the " A club from THE championship will be promoted " , if that was the case then they would not be IN THE championship and would therefore not go up , If it was the CHAMPIONSHIPS , then they would still go up , making the jump from either comp is essentially the same anyway