Mike Ford anyone? www.teletext.co.uk/rugbyleague/n ... d+job.aspx

Mike Ford anyone? www.teletext.co.uk/rugbyleague/n ... d+job.aspx

Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"Mike Ford anyone? www.teletext.co.uk/rugbyleague/n ... d+job.aspx'" [iThe[/i former Bramley coach?

Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"Mike Ford anyone? www.teletext.co.uk/rugbyleague/n ... d+job.aspx'" [iThe[/i former Bramley coach?

I remember the 85 cup final when he played for wigan. I think he was player coach at Oldham then i think he went to Ireland RU as defensive coach. Don't remember Bramley but i may be wrong.

Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"Mike Ford anyone? www.teletext.co.uk/rugbyleague/n ... d+job.aspx'" This Mike Ford thing seemed not to have any legs, but the Beeb are reporting it today: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8374328.stm - although they're clearly saying it's unlikely. ...but with his head being on the chopper for many in Onion looking for a scapegoat, it could be that its not up to him whether he goes to the RUWC and a return to RL could be a goer. I certainly can't see anybody wanting this guy back (I don't!) - with the greatest of respect for what he did during his playing days. Ford himself makes one or two valid points in this article though; 'How many games are they going to play this year and the year after?,' and 'is there enough work for somebody full-time?' Both questions any coach worth his salt is going to ask. Problem is, have the RFL got the answers - and if not, how many top level coaches will that rule out? Sadly, IMO when the only names so far quizzed about the role (aside from Kear - who I'd have in a shot) are Steve Mac & Mike bloody Ford, its a sad indictment of the coaching situation in the UK.

Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"Mike Ford anyone? www.teletext.co.uk/rugbyleague/n ... d+job.aspx'" This Mike Ford thing seemed not to have any legs, but the Beeb are reporting it today: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8374328.stm - although they're clearly saying it's unlikely. ...but with his head being on the chopper for many in Onion looking for a scapegoat, it could be that its not up to him whether he goes to the RUWC and a return to RL could be a goer. I certainly can't see anybody wanting this guy back (I don't!) - with the greatest of respect for what he did during his playing days. Ford himself makes one or two valid points in this article though; 'How many games are they going to play this year and the year after?,' and 'is there enough work for somebody full-time?' Both questions any coach worth his salt is going to ask. Problem is, have the RFL got the answers - and if not, how many top level coaches will that rule out? Sadly, IMO when the only names so far quizzed about the role (aside from Kear - who I'd have in a shot) are Steve Mac & Mike bloody Ford, its a sad indictment of the coaching situation in the UK.

The same Mike Ford who, along with his son, didn't go to union for the money


How do you know those are the only people being considered?

Eh?


I didn't say anything about being considered. I said "the only names so far quizzed about the role". I meant quizzed by the media - probably should've been clearer. The RFL are keeping schtum.

Basically, all I'm saying is that if the likes of Mike Ford are really in the mix (and we don't know that he is) - and you're only other obvious options seem to be McNamara and Kear - it's not really a healthy state of affairs. Kear is the only man for the job IMO - unless there's another British coach you can think of that's of the dizzyingly average standard of McNamara and the current England RU assistant? Point being, it's a pi$$ poor shortlist.

Exactly.


I'd previously thought this wouldn't work over here because its a system that can bring with it a whole load of extra politics. But you might be onto something there. Tim Sheens is part-time and a panel of selectors pick the squad. Still, if the RFL had to appoint a full time British coach tomorrow with the credentials you'd expect of someone tasked with the gargantuan job of turning round English RL, we'd be scratching around a bit. Especially now that Kear's all but ruled himself out too - [urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/8374591.stm[/url

A Part time coach and an unbiased selection panel would be my choice given the relatively low number of games the National side will play.

Who would we have on the selection panel is as big a question as who would be coach.

Mal Reilly springs to mind, Paul Sculthorpe, Ellery Hanley, Kris Radlinski.

Certainly not Garry Schoffield.

Irony. He has said repeatedly that neither he nor his son went to union for the money despite swiss cheese like holes in his explanations.



The media in the country are lazy at best when it comes to rugby league so I wouldn't make too much of this supposed short list.

perhaps Bobby Goulding?

If the role is basically England coach for 5 games a year and some poorly defined role in 'development' then Hanley, Kear or whoever - doesn't really matter. If it's a real role in development with actual clout then the work that won't get seen for years is far more important than what anyone can realistically achieve with the current squad.

Before England can ever hope to compete against Australia they MUST have an Australian coach who will start from basics and reform the English style of play to the Australian style...Surely after 37 years England must realise they are falling further & further behind,and it wont be very long before New Zealand and maybe PNG are ranked permanently ahead of England,..they aren't even good to watch these days,they look farcical.

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Your wrong on so many different levels - are you league freak??

We need better systems, better youth policies, better core skill development, better athletic development and better continual development for those players coaches and officials with potential. But then most people already know this.

We need to understand the Aus game but if we want to beat it we need something different - not just a clone. Not everything that comes out of aus is good.

Initially we may need a good aussie coach in a development role but ultimately we need to get some bright people involved in the game and control our own future.

just give it ellery hanley and stop faffing around

Yes and no. Yes, he's wrong on many levels - no we don't [ineed[/i an Aussie coach (not even initially). We need to produce our own coaches of a standard high enough - which means giving them a shot in SL. And we need to learn once and for all to play high tempo Rugby League (in attack and defence) for 81 minutes. How long ago was it they appointent David Waite and how much progress did we make under that particular Australian?! I could be a little kinder about Tony Smith but it's the same story.

Joey - and I trust his honesty and RL brain - reckons we're every bit the match for Aus, we just can't stick it for 80 mins. And having been at practically every England/GB v Australia game, home and away for the last 20 years, I'd agree with him - [urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/same-old-story-for-hapless-poms/story-e6frext9-1225797950424[/url

I know we've taken a few tw@ings over the last 10 years or so, but when we have turned up and rattled the Aussies, we've still (all but once or twice) bombed it in the last 15 mins.

well we where winning for 75mins under waite...tony smith reduced that to 60mins

Fair enough. Although Sydney 2002 (despite the kamikazi nature of the crazy 'one off' test match) was the biggest embrassment I ever witnessed, and that was under Waite. I'll never forgive him. I mean, Karl Pratt... what the..?!

- Mind you, Chris Bridge?!!



Ok, let's get this going again... Who would you REALISTICALLY have in the top job in English Rugby League and youth development? I've already said Kear but he seems to be waivering already and I know nobody else capable enough, that's homegrown.

How much longer are you going to faff about trying to come up with a system to beat Australia,you have buggered about for nearly 40 years with no success,you just have to do something about it,...believe me we Australians are bored to death when we play England,they aren't exciting to watch any more.....your admin just have to take their head out of the sand.

How much longer are you going to faff about trying to come up with a system to beat Australia,you have buggered about for nearly 40 years with no success,you just have to do something about it,...believe me we Australians are bored to death when we play England,they aren't exciting to watch any more.....your admin just have to take their head out of the sand...the fact that you played 4 front rowers in the final against Australia proves something is drastically wrong with the game in England. No matter what you chose to think,England are LIGHT YEARS behind us in the game.

WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE.

Just for your education the rule book clearly states,

AT THE END OF 80 MINUTES PLAY THE TEAM HAVING SCORED THE MOST POINTS SHALL BE DECLARED THE WINNER. nothing mentioned about the team leading after 60 or 75 minutes.........Grow up, you were thrashed by 30 points in 80 minutes.it was the Greyhounds v the Carthorses.

People will look back in 20 years time and still wet themselves when they see England played 4 front rowers at thesame time in the final of the Four Nations Trophy

For those that agree with you, you're pointing out the blindingly obvious and for those that don't, you're adding nothing. This thread's about a new England coach.

Correct

Incorrect

Doubtful

I'd like to see influences from other sports at the top (RFL).
Even someone like Woodward could possibly add something to the table.

If we want to beat the Aussies we're going to
a) Get a LOT more juniors involved
b) Come up with something very different

Maybe look to the NFL for tips on power, maybe not tips even analyse full coaching setups, top level martial arts for balance and control of movement, core stability, even soccer could probably teach us a thing or two.

Are you by any chance the guy who is trying to run the forum Rugby League Today?
I seem to see similarities in your posts to the ones Dicko posts on his abortion of a forum....if it is you,you will have noticed how a decent forum is run,and without little AIMz.