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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"From the sounds of it they will be primarily basing their decision on which venue could be started in the shortest possible time and, as planning has been delayed by the council for another 8 weeks or so for NM, that currently is GH.'"
In terms of timescale, GH was always the most logical, for the simple fact designs will be available in just a few weeks and Full PP submitted thereafter.
Wakey have got to iron out a few problems with the Highways and such like about their plan and that's even before Outline PP has been granted.
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| Quote ="Fully"In terms of timescale, GH was always the most logical, for the simple fact designs will be available in just a few weeks and Full PP submitted thereafter.
Wakey have got to iron out a few problems with the Highways and such like about their plan and that's even before Outline PP has been granted.'"
By all accounts Yorkcourt were expecting a planning decision last Friday. The delay due to highways issues was news to them, the council have not informed them that this is the reason for the delay and, AFAIK, they are not aware of any other reason.
As the detailed designs for NM are already prepared they were expecting to submit these straight after the approval of outline. That certainly would’ve evened up which stadium could be up and running the soonest debate.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"By all accounts Yorkcourt were expecting a planning decision last Friday. The delay due to highways issues was news to them, the council have not informed them that this is the reason for the delay and, AFAIK, they are not aware of any other reason.
As the detailed designs for NM are already prepared they were expecting to submit these straight after the approval of outline. That certainly would’ve evened up which stadium could be up and running the soonest debate.'"
Ah, fair enough then. Makes you wonder then where all this 'information' regarding Highways etc has come from.
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| Quote ="Fully"Do you know all this for certain or is this just your opinion in the Wakefield 'conspiracy' theory?
How do you know the stadium at GH won't be a 50:50 split?
How do you know that the stadium wouldn't be as much Wakey's as Cas?
How do you know the Council won't force Castleford to ensure it is suitable for both clubs rather than their own?
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I can't see why Cas would agree to a 50:50 split if they are putting more into the cost of the develeopment then Wakey would be.
See above for reason why the Stadium wouldn't be as much Wakey's as Cas.
The Council would not be bothered - they would take credit for helping both clubs have a stadium which gives them the chance to stay in SL.
I can only repeat what has been said before. If both projects can proceed with the original land loans agreed (which is what people from both sides are intimating) - you have to think there is a hidden agenda to the councils sudden decision that the two clubs have to share (and for delaying NM planning permission for 8 weeks.
There has only been one of the two proposals to my knowledge that was always intended to be a community stadium and thats NM. Cas were invited to be part of the project from the start but wanted naturally to progress their own stadium plans. It seems that for some reason (and I will leave people to decide for themselves what it is), Cas have now suddenly decided a shared stadium would be welcome and that the feasibility study ordered by one of their fans (sorry the Council Leader) is a good idea
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| The trouble is, if Cas want the stadium to go ahead the Council may force the hand of Cas to give Wakefield a reason to move there and make it more feasible.
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| Quote ="Fully"Ah, fair enough then. Makes you wonder then where all this 'information' regarding Highways etc has come from.'"
To be honest that’s was what SWAG were told, the Trust and the club too I believe.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"To be honest that’s was what SWAG were told, the Trust and the club too I believe.'"
Which bit? That Yorkcourt expected a decision/no problems with Highways or there was problems with PP application?
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| Quote ="Fully"Which bit? That Yorkcourt expected a decision/no problems with Highways or there was problems with PP application?'"
SWAG were told that the delay was due to Highway issues.
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| Quote ="Fully"Ah, fair enough then. Makes you wonder then where all this 'information' regarding Highways etc has come from.'"
Somebody from Cas presumably
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| Quote ="Wadski"In terms of the council surely the 'best ground' will the one farthest along? Or would the council look at what would be best for their coffers in the long term (both in terms of cost and future revenue)?'"
In simple terms neither club have any money, Cas thought they were going to have but presumably have come up short, its been ongoing that long that the outline planning permission is nearly out of date for GH who knows who cares. The ground at Newmarket is a community stadium for all three pro RL teams to play in if they choose, two of which choose not to, Newmarket is NOTHING to do with WMDC at all it is funded by various institutions all of which I dont know, but why should Mr Box want a feasibility study on the two grounds, simple really if Cas cannot deliver Mr Box would find his position as a councillor for a Castleford constituency untenable if Wakey got a new ground and they didnt.
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| There's no reason why the shared stadium can't be a roaring success for both teams, a 12,000 capacity stadium will do them both a treat. It's either that or lose your Franchise as neither team can afford to go it alone without substantial local authority backing, in the current economic climate after New Labour bankrupted the nation they will never be able to go it alone.
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| Id keep Cas over Wakey any day. Bigger fan base, better youth development and as it stands a better stadium.
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| My Solution -
If relocations of rugby league clubs happened in the United States Of Europe as often as they did in the United States of America, then our game would of expanded more by now. Instead the top flight is full of heartland clubs bar Harlequins and Crusaders. So come franchise renewal time I’d like to see the whole Castleford Tigers club relocate to Spain, in order to help the game spread. After all this is only way this club will able to survive in the top flight and do so in style.
Ideally the club would be renamed Costa Del Castleford and be playing out of the Estadio La Rosaleda in Malaga, which holds 28,963 spectators. Season ticket holders will be scattered all across the Costa Del Sol where many British people live to get away from the British weather, but not the culture. In this part of the world you will come across British style pubs and restaurants, that for away fans will be a much needed improvement compared to the delights of Castleford hospitality.
To attract new British fans to the game a marketing team will consist of holiday reps spiking sangria at welcome meetings and getting everyone to sign up for a day to watch the rugby. Spanish fans we’ll just sign up a Matador to slay a bull for pre-match entertainment. With the combination of all of the above Costa Del Castleford will be the best supported club in the European Super League.
There will be no more damp nights on the terraces for Castleford fans, unless they travel to England to watch an away match. Before long many struggling rugby league clubs will probably copy what Castleford have done in order to improve the popularity of the game. How long before New Craven Park and The KC Stadium become underwater ruins is probably only a matter of decades.
You heard it here first.
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| They should have a built a join ground a lot time ago at Europort.
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| This land loan scenario: who, in the current economic climate, is likely to lend money against a piece of land with a value that must have decreased considerably since the scheme was first proposed?
Whichever scheme proceeds is going to need council backing to quite a substantial degree.
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| This idea was concocted last year, so the value of the land should not have decreased.
Besides, the market value of the individual plots of land is around £8m, but there is to be a £2m cap put on any money borrowed against it.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"This idea was concocted last year, so the value of the land should not have decreased.
Besides, the market value of the individual plots of land is around £8m, but there is to be a £2m cap put on any money borrowed against it.'"
£8million pounds .have they found a goldmine under it.
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| Wakefield only interested in newmarket
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Wakefield only interested in newmarket'"
This has been officially announced at todays game that Wakefield are going alone and building their own ground...
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"This has been officially announced at todays game that Wakefield are going alone and building their own ground...'"
If true
Seeing as both clubs are now setting sooooooooperdooooooper league alight with their current performances, it makes sense for them to throw money into individual projects, add a few , more than welcome, how much do you want to sign, well worth it overseas players, and the clubs will be coining it in as attendances at both stadiums will double as soon as they open the doors.
The future looks bright.
2013 the grand Final Wildcats V Tigers!!!!
You can just see it can't you
Bring it on
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| Or maybe we believe we can go it alone and be a success.
That's the only thing holding us back, our poor stadium and facilites.
Hopefully now all the hard work we've put into our juniors will also pay dividends and we can keep on developing quality youngsters and bring them through together.
We were academy champions last year and are bringing through quality young players, hopefully in 3/4 years time we can be playing out of a brand new stadium with a high percentage of home grown players.
Isn't that what franchising is all about?
Too many w*nker fans just wanting to slate clubs and slag them off at every opportunity.
Proper RL fans should be applauding Wakefield on being positive about being able to achieve their goals...
I wish Cas all the best too in whatever direction they take from here...
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| If they can get their stadium off the ground then they are doing the right thing if they want to give themselves a fighting chance of playing in SL as Wakefield in the future.
It was hard to see anything other than them dying a slow death, or being forced into a merger, if they'd ended up at Glasshoughton.
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| Quote ="Asim"If they can get their stadium off the ground then they are doing the right thing if they want to give themselves a fighting chance of playing in SL as Wakefield in the future.
It was hard to see anything other than them dying a slow death, or being forced into a merger, if they'd ended up at Glasshoughton.'"
That's about the size of it.
Our main bar to success is Belle Vue. When we go on a run, the crowds turn up, and the interest in rugby league is there for everyone to see, with it having a huge amateur and schools base. A new stadium will attract a lot of those of stay-aways back, as people will turn up to something new, and away fans will turn up in greater number, and players will be attracted to play there.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"That's about the size of it.
Our main bar to success is Belle Vue. When we go on a run, the crowds turn up, and the interest in rugby league is there for everyone to see, with it having a huge amateur and schools base. A new stadium will attract a lot of those of stay-aways back, as people will turn up to something new, and away fans will turn up in greater number, and players will be attracted to play there.'"
Of course they will!!!
Absolutely guaranteed!!!!
see under Crusaders/Harlequins.
Maybe a WINNING team might have something to do with it who really knows?
I can't of think of any club where winning increased gates to a large extent even though the stadium was not that hot, Can you?
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