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| I take it this won't affect Tuson's ability to fulfill his role in 'Taxi - The Musical' will it?
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"I take it this won't affect Tuson's ability to fulfill his role in 'Taxi - The Musical' will it?'"
Taxi Driver?
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| Quote ="Chris28"Taxi Driver?'"
I thought i was an Andy Kaufman reference
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| Quote ="Chris28"Taxi Driver?'"
Yeah but they often don't use the actual title of the film/book in the show version e.g a Christmas carol and Scrooge.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"I love a bit of biff, and when Peacock goes toe to toe with someone I'm the first one cheering, but that's my Leeds/GB/England bias, and he's been very lucky to avoid a ban or two in the past. I've no problem with players rough-housing, it's part of the game, but most of this wasn't that, it was -housing, and that's got no part in the game.
I'm utterly perplexed by the many claims that LMS and Hock were equally guilty. Seriously, take your cherry and white glasses off and look at the stats:
Head contact: LMS 1 Hock 1
Punches Thrown and landed for no apparent reason: LMS 0 Hock (at least) 6
Yes, that's equal.
For me, I don't think Hock's indiscretion should be taken in isolation, I don't think he has any appreciation of how lucky he is to be still be allowed to play the greatest game alongside incredibly talented and clean players and I'd like to see him hit with a six game ban - three immediate and three suspended. The message has to be sent out to Wigan, sort him out or get shot. I'm impressed that he managed 14 games without having a typical Hock moment, but it was inevitable, we all knew it was inevitable, and to treat it the same way as someone like Tomkins or Danny McGuire lashing out is farcical.
I think Tuson probably had to go - he threw one hell of a lot of punches - but sending off certainly sufficient, he was trying to walk away and even mild mannered types are liable to over react when sucker punched.
Magennis can't really complain at whatever ban they give him, he completely lost it. If they'd stuck his mum in a Wigan shirt and stuck her in front of him he'd have probably chinned her.
Mossop's the only one of the scrappers I'm undecided about, I understand why he did it, but he had no need to get involved. It would be a real shame to be banned for that, but technically I think they have to give him at least a game, because he ran in and punched.
And on McIlorum, I can't decide whether he's lucky to get away with it or not. I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt, because normally tackles like that are just a momentary lapse (or repeated momentary lapses, see Brent Webb) but he looked like he might have meant it - and he's good, so 1 match ban for him.
And Tomkins, well done on supporting a worthy cause, but I'd like you banned anyway because you're rather good.
(edited as I now have information that makes my previous statement both ridiculous and embarrassing)'"
You've missed out the last sentence in your post;
"All Wigans players should be banned [isine die[/i and forever, with no parole, they are all dirty so and so's and besmirch the great game."
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| Quote ="fleabag"You've missed out the last sentence in your post;
"All Wigans players should be banned [isine die[/i and forever, with no parole, they are all dirty so and so's and besmirch the great game."'"
I'm really not quite sure what you're getting at, are you implying that my analysis is biassed and unreasonable? If so I'd love to know which bit in particular, because I think I've been pretty fair about the whole thing, and if not then why quote my whole post?
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| I think there was an overreaction by the officials and the disciplinary because it was the most talked about incident of the RFLs showpiece event. If that had been a regular season game at DW or LTP then you'd have hoped sin binnings would have sufficed. Everyone who has ever played the game or watched it for a long time is saying there wasn't much in it, the worst part of it was the cheapshot by Magennis which has led to 2 further Wigan players receiving disciplinary action.
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| Quote ="WARRIORCRAIG"I think there was an overreaction by the officials and the disciplinary because it was the most talked about incident of the RFLs showpiece event. If that had been a regular season game at DW or LTP then you'd have hoped sin binnings would have sufficed. Everyone who has ever played the game or watched it for a long time is saying there wasn't much in it, the worst part of it was the cheapshot by Magennis which has led to 2 further Wigan players receiving disciplinary action.'"
Whether you like it or not punching is against the rules. Deserved sending off and deserved suspension.
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| Just out of interest, when was the last time so many players from one SL side were suspended in one go?
I'd expect Shaun Wane won't be happy that he's lost 3 forwards completely unnecessarily. Blame the judiciary if you want, but they wouldn't have been suspended if they hadn't got involved.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Just out of interest, when was the last time so many players from one SL side were suspended in one go?
I'd expect Shaun Wane won't be happy that he's lost 3 forwards completely unnecessarily. Blame the judiciary if you want, but they wouldn't have been suspended if they hadn't got involved.'"
In relation to Hock, I agree, he didn't have to start punching. He lost his head as he does, but he part of the reason our pack has been so awesome this year.
Tuson on the other hand had the right to start throwing punches, it was a natural reaction to being hit when you are not even looking.
Not blaming the judiciary, but I'm not blaming Tuson either. There is more to it than just not getting involved, that only applies to the idiot wearing the red vee.
Mossop was right to protect his team mates, but he went about it in totally the wrong way. That was the most needless ban. He could have just pushed the saints player away rather than hitting him.
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| Quote ="Odem"Mossop was right to protect his team mates, but he went about it in totally the wrong way. That was the most needless ban. He could have just pushed the saints player away rather than hitting him.'"
Was a pretty good punch though
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| I was pretty disgusted by the behaviour and attitude of both teams if I'm honest.
Players from both sides, maybe eighteen at a guess, took no part whatsoever. With the ref and touch judges concentrating on Hock and LM-S there was real scope for players to have started several other fights and kept the action going for a good couple of minutes longer.
Game's gone soft.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"I was pretty disgusted by the behaviour and attitude of both teams if I'm honest.
Players from both sides, maybe eighteen at a guess, took no part whatsoever. With the ref and touch judges concentrating on Hock and LM-S there was real scope for players to have started several other fights and kept the action going for a good couple of minutes longer.
Game's gone soft.'"
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| Quote ="Chris28"Quote ="Odem"Mossop was right to protect his team mates, but he went about it in totally the wrong way. That was the most needless ban. He could have just pushed the saints player away rather than hitting him.'"
Was a pretty good punch though
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A Radford-esque cheap shot no wonder a hull fan liked it
Mossop was pretty pathetic stood behind his own players until Mcgennis looked away before slotting him and sneaking off back behind his team mates. There's an element of Karma given Mcgennis' own cheap shot on Tuson but still pretty sh*thouse tactic.
And FWIW thought Tuson was v.unlucky to get a ban (even if he did throw the most punches) and Hock was just well being Hock
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| Quote ="Omar Little"A Radford-esque cheap shot no wonder a hull fan liked it
Mossop was pretty pathetic stood behind his own players until Mcgennis looked away before slotting him and sneaking off back behind his team mates. There's an element of Karma given Mcgennis' own cheap shot on Tuson but still pretty sh*thouse tactic.:'"
Spot on.
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| Quote ="Omar Little"A Radford-esque cheap shot no wonder a hull fan liked it
Mossop was pretty pathetic stood behind his own players until Mcgennis looked away before slotting him and sneaking off back behind his team mates. There's an element of Karma given Mcgennis' own cheap shot on Tuson but still pretty sh*thouse tactic.
And FWIW thought Tuson was v.unlucky to get a ban (even if he did throw the most punches) and Hock was just well being Hock
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If Magennis looked away, then how did Mossop punch him in the middle of his face?
FWIW I think he was lucky to get 1 match
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| Quote ="Omar Little"A Radford-esque cheap shot no wonder a hull fan liked it
Mossop was pretty pathetic stood behind his own players until Mcgennis looked away before slotting him and sneaking off back behind his team mates. There's an element of Karma given Mcgennis' own cheap shot on Tuson but still pretty sh*thouse tactic.
And FWIW thought Tuson was v.unlucky to get a ban (even if he did throw the most punches) and Hock was just well being Hock
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How can you punch someone in the face if they've turned away? It's hardly sh*thouse tactics, it's called sticking up for your team mates. Mossop didn't punch Magennis as he was scrapping with Tuson. They had been separated and Magennis was throwing punches at O'Loughlin who hadn't thrown a punch himself and had been trying to break it up. Magennis then went throwing punches at someone else who is obscured from view which might have been Tuson yet again, although it could have been Mossop himself or just a swing at thin air.
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| Quote ="Conroy"If Magennis looked away, then how did Mossop punch him in the middle of his face?'"
Quote ="Cherry.Pie"How can you punch someone in the face if they've turned away?'"
Is there something in the water in wigan? Seriously everyone defends their own teams players but can you guys really believe that
Arms are fully articulated and as such punches don't have to be straight (for example a boxers hook shot normally strikes the side of the head or body even though they're standing toe-to-toe). Eyes also aren't fixed to only look straight ahead. Also faces are 3-dimensional not flat (ok maybe that one's not always true in Wigan).
Quote ="Cherry.Pie"It's hardly sh*thouse tactics, it's called sticking up for your team mates. Mossop didn't punch Magennis as he was scrapping with Tuson. They had been separated and Magennis was throwing punches at O'Loughlin who hadn't thrown a punch himself and had been trying to break it up. Magennis then went throwing punches at someone else who is obscured from view which might have been Tuson yet again, although it could have been Mossop himself or just a swing at thin air.'"
I'd suggest you rewatch the incident without your cherry and white glasses on...(you can find it on that well known video sharing website)...
I never said Mossop punched Magennis while he was scrapping with Tuson - in fact if he had that would have been sticking up for his team mate and far less of a cheap shot.
Yes, Magennis is trying to have a go at a wigan player (like you I'm not sure who but it definately could not have been Mossop as he's stood away to the side). Mossop comes in from the side, clocks him and then sneaks off again be back slapped by his team mates - sorry but it's an out and out cheap shot (but as I said above it's karma for Magennis' own cheap shot as Tuson tried to turn away).
It's such a sly shot that the first time I saw the incident I thought why has Mossop been banned when he kept well out of the biff...
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| Quote ="Omar Little"Also faces are 3-dimensional not flat (ok maybe that one's not always true in Wigan). '"
The MIDDLE of his face. Not his cheeks. Not his ears. The middle of his face. His nose. Right on the kisser. It was far from a chaep shot.
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| Quote ="Conroy"The MIDDLE of his face. Not his cheeks. Not his ears. The middle of his face. His nose. Right on the kisser. It was far from a chaep shot.'"
Seriously - just go and watch the replay.
He hit him unawares it's a cheap shot.
If you stood in front of me facing sideways how much would you like to bet that I can still punch you in the middle of the face?
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| Quote ="Omar Little"Quote ="Conroy"The MIDDLE of his face. Not his cheeks. Not his ears. The middle of his face. His nose. Right on the kisser. It was far from a chaep shot.'"
Seriously - just go and watch the replay.
He hit him unawares it's a cheap shot.
If you stood in front of me facing sideways how much would you like to bet that I can still punch you in the middle of the face?
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You could yes and equally if you were stood to the side of me you could also as Mossop did to Magennis.
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| Quote ="Omar Little"I'd suggest you rewatch the incident without your cherry and white glasses on...(you can find it on that well known video sharing website)...
I never said Mossop punched Magennis while he was scrapping with Tuson - in fact if he had that would have been sticking up for his team mate and far less of a cheap shot.
Yes, Magennis is trying to have a go at a wigan player (like you I'm not sure who but it definately could not have been Mossop as he's stood away to the side). Mossop comes in from the side, clocks him and then sneaks off again be back slapped by his team mates - sorry but it's an out and out cheap shot (but as I said above it's karma for Magennis' own cheap shot as Tuson tried to turn away).
It's such a sly shot that the first time I saw the incident I thought why has Mossop been banned when he kept well out of the biff...'"
I watched the video on youtube thank you very much. I did so before replying the first time but it just wouldn't be RLFans if I hadn't been patronised.
You said it would have been fine for Mossop to hit Magennis when he was scrapping with Tuson.
You then admit that Magennis throws a punch at another Wigan player who can't be seen but was possibly Tuson yet that time around Mossop isn't allowed to defend him?
Maybe things work differently for you but for me when two players are scrapping man to man that's when you DON'T get involved, except to break it up. If someone has been throwing left right and centre at one player, moves onto throwing them at another who was trying to break up the fight and then throwing punches again at another team mate then that's when you DO get involved.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"I watched the video on youtube thank you very much. I did so before replying the first time but it just wouldn't be RLFans if I hadn't been patronised.
You said it would have been fine for Mossop to hit Magennis when he was scrapping with Tuson.
You then admit that Magennis throws a punch at another Wigan player who can't be seen but was possibly Tuson yet that time around Mossop isn't allowed to defend him?
Maybe things work differently for you but for me when two players are scrapping man to man that's when you DON'T get involved, except to break it up. If someone has been throwing left right and centre at one player, moves onto throwing them at another who was trying to break up the fight and then throwing punches again at another team mate then that's when you DO get involved.'"
If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!
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| I find it funny there were three red cards in this game and four overall bans and in the NRL there was some 'controversy' over a yellow card in the SoO - Magennis deserved a ban for his cheap shot & Mossop probably did as well - the rest should have been yellows - and reds certainly should have sufficed (in terms of bans) IMO
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