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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you are bringing the level of the competition down not the bottom up, you are taking from the top to give to the bottom so they meet in the middle,
this brings down the quality of the competition, what we should be doing is letting the top improve unrestricted and give the bottom the tools to grow to the level of the top,
and if they cant, then their place isnt SL level'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Link ?'"
I doubt you'll get a link to one of Smokeys opinions. Unless he's some sort of Davros figure hooked up to the internet...hmmmm having said that...
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| what would you like a link to?
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EXPANSIONATE! EXPANSIONATE!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"what would you like a link to?'"
Totally unsubstantiated then as usual , now I probably could have a look for a link to somebody at the RFL saying how the salary cap has produced a better SL comp , but I wont because I couldn't really give a stuff
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| good to see all those selfish leeds fans still out arguing for the removal of the salary cap.
shame the cap wasnt around when they almost went broke in the 90s trying to match wigans spending and had to sell headingly to caddick who then put union on their turf.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"good to see all those selfish leeds fans still out arguing for the removal of the salary cap.'"
who is catching Leeds that we to spend more need to get away from?
Quote shame the cap wasnt around when they almost went broke in the 90s trying to match wigans spending and had to sell headingly to caddick who then put union on their turf.'"
considering it was the best thing to ever happen to Leeds it really isnt,
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| Rugby League in England has been dominated by 3-4 teams for 3 decades.
Wigan
St Helens
Bradford
Leeds
There have been a couple of hiccups but in the main these teams have won everything.
If you were a fan one of the teams that have won nothing in a lifetime and seen every player of any talent your Club develops leave to win something at one of these four Clubs why would you keep following the game?
If having a handful of teams win everything available and sign the bulk of the best available NRL talent and play a dozen really tough games (at the most) each year makes a good competition that will grow the I must be Blind Freddie.
Super league is one of the most one Horsed races (3 Horses most years) in World Sport.
When Leeds with the advantages of population and wealth have no reasonable interested competition to beat then perhaps they will have arrived.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"good to see all those selfish leeds fans still out arguing for the removal of the salary cap.
shame the cap wasnt around when they almost went broke in the 90s trying to match wigans spending and had to sell headingly to caddick who then put union on their turf.'"
I've not argued for the removal of the salary cap, merely the ceiling figure, the percentage of turnover rule should remain to stop clubs overspending on players to the extent they jeapordise their existence.
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| Quote ="Jonesy"Rugby League in England has been dominated by 3-4 teams for 3 decades.
Wigan
St Helens
Bradford
Leeds
There have been a couple of hiccups but in the main these teams have won everything.
If you were a fan one of the teams that have won nothing in a lifetime and seen every player of any talent your Club develops leave to win something at one of these four Clubs why would you keep following the game?
If having a handful of teams win everything available and sign the bulk of the best available NRL talent and play a dozen really tough games (at the most) each year makes a good competition that will grow the I must be Blind Freddie.
Super league is one of the most one Horsed races (3 Horses most years) in World Sport.
When Leeds with the advantages of population and wealth have no reasonable interested competition to beat then perhaps they will have arrived.'"
So what do you suggest?
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| Quote ="Jonesy"Rugby League in England has been dominated by 3-4 teams for 3 decades.
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St Helens
Bradford
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Let's clarify this a little, shall we?
RL in England was dominated by one of those clubs for a very long time, until the advent of Super League enabled the other clubs that you mention to join the party.
So in fact, the top flight of RL in England has seen increased competition in the last 12 years.
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| We still don't have evry team paying full salary cap. until we do then we won't see huge movement. Having said that two of the last few clubs to eneter the comp, Les cats and HKR, are both proving competitive and improving year on year so ther is a gradual improvement happening.
Being able to pay the full salary cap doesn't just mean top clubs losing players, it also means lower clubs being able to sign better imports.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"
Being able to pay the full salary cap doesn't just mean top clubs losing players, it also means lower clubs being able to sign better imports.'"
why do we need a Salary Cap to do that? limiting the amount of imports in total will mean lower clubs can sign better ones
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"who is catching Leeds that we to spend more need to get away from?
considering it was the best thing to ever happen to Leeds it really isnt,'"
selling the ground and almost going broke is the best thing that happened to leeds?
you need help.
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"I've not argued for the removal of the salary cap, merely the ceiling figure, the percentage of turnover rule should remain to stop clubs overspending on players to the extent they jeapordise their existence.'"
so then your just a selfish leeds fan who doesnt want his club to go broke
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| Quote ="Mintball"Let's clarify this a little, shall we?
RL in England was dominated by one of those clubs for a very long time, until the advent of Super League enabled the other clubs that you mention to join the party.
So in fact, the top flight of RL in England has seen increased competition in the last 12 years.'"
its still as stagnant as PL soccer though isnt it.
how many teams have won the SL title in the past decade vs how many in PL soccer? i would guess its not that different so the salary cap has not yet begin to work in england.
clearly when only 4 or 5 clubs were spending the full cap for most of the past 10 years that explains most of the reason.
its only the past couple of years as most of the league is able to spend the full cap
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| Quote ="dally messenger"selling the ground and almost going broke is the best thing that happened to leeds?
you need help.'"
erm, who do you think we sold the ground to? and who do you think owns the ground now?
and who do you think came in to buy Leeds and what has happened since?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"its still as stagnant as PL soccer though isnt it.
how many teams have won the SL title in the past decade vs how many in PL soccer? i would guess its not that different so the salary cap has not yet begin to work in england.
clearly when only 4 or 5 clubs were spending the full cap for most of the past 10 years that explains most of the reason.
its only the past couple of years as most of the league is able to spend the full cap'"
we have had 8 clubs spending the cap for at least the last 2 seasons, how many GF finalists have we had?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"so then your just a selfish leeds fan who doesnt want his club to go broke'"
No, I want to encourage other clubs to develop into businesses as strong as Leeds and remove the current disincentive to do so. I also don't want any club to go broke.
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| The salary cap in England is more of a guide than anything to be honest.
Teams get around it easily because the RFL hardly police it.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out that some SL clubs are spending a lot of money on player salaries.
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"The salary cap in England is more of a guide than anything to be honest.
Teams get around it easily because the RFL hardly police it.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out that some SL clubs are spending a lot of money on player salaries.'"
Care to substantiate that?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"erm, who do you think we sold the ground to? and who do you think owns the ground now?
and who do you think came in to buy Leeds and what has happened since?'"
not the Leeds rugby club thats for sure.
it was sold to someone else, an asset they owned.
you have a funny view on things
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| Quote ="tb"Care to substantiate that?'"
i think its a fair opinion to have.
the thing that made the salary cap more effective in australia was canterbury getting busted and losing 37 points.
ive got no proof and wont mention any clubs but i suspect at least 3 clubs are over the salary cap there.
when you see the top teams keeping all their players and not losing anyone good over years, then you have to think people are breaking the cap.
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| Quote ="Lenny The Loiner2"No, I want to encourage other clubs to develop into businesses as strong as Leeds and remove the current disincentive to do so. I also don't want any club to go broke.'"
then clearly the SC achieves all those aims.
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