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| No it won't stop been so dramatic worse case scenario it will fold and reform debt free in the bottom division
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"If you tried holding your breath for the next few years you might have a bit of trouble.'"
LOL, good point.Trouble is i'll try anything after a bottle of Hardys
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| Quote ="Kosh"A couple of years of hardship? Have you not been paying attention? Right now it is entirely possible that the club they support will cease to exist, not just get relegated for a season or two.'"
They'll always be around.......one way or another. If the club completly liquidates they'll just reform in the championship and work back up. Some form of bradford rugby league entity will always be around.
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| I do have sympathy for the older fans, the ones who watched Bradford Northern with 4/5000 others, indeed in my time i spent a year living in Bradford and would often find myself up at Odsal on my own for a midweek fixture , it was horrible, bleak, cold etc but there were some decent people up there and was always good to chat as my team back then were in the lower divisions, for those people who are still around - Good luck to ya !
But...as my own club had fought numerous financial battles in the past we fought our way back and made it into Super League, Bradford Bulls were THE club then...trophies galore, thousands of flag waving, backpack wearing, singing, dancing families etc who were revelling in the glory, Glory also brought out 'glory hunters' and plenty of these came from my own town...the buses to and from Huddersfield were packed with Bulls fans who, along with the other glory hunters on the terraces took great pleasure in ridiculing my club, we had to listen to them spout like.... 'your ty little club don't deserve to be in the same league as us'
'You will never compete with us so f..k off back to the lower leagues' and lots of personal stuff aimed at our fans and players etc and as we got better and their glory dried up it turned to abuse....wishing our chairman would drop dead so we would go bust, our club is a horrible club and STILL didn't deserve to rub shoulders with the bulls etc...some nasty stuff came out of the mouths of some very bitter people over that way....indeed only in the last year or two over the Koppy transfer they are still at it...they even blamed our chairman for something and called him all the names under the sun, a week before he announced all away ticket sales from our game with them would go to their fund....well i am sorry but what comes around goes around, for those people, if indeed you are still bothering with the Bulls, and going by some of their posters especially on their board are, i have not one jot of sympathy for you lot - you reap what you sow - you wished death on my club, mine is prospering while yours dies...karma, irony, whatever you wanna call it..I know i will get slated for this cos were all supoosed to be one big happy family and have support and sympathy for the Bulls,well i dont and never will because of what i had to put up with from the 'poor little bulls fans' for years and years under their shadow !!
To the decent ones who always wished us well - you will be welcome at the JS stadium anytime and for you guys i hope you still have your club, in whatever division or name etc to support !
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| It would seem independent moderators for numerous clubs (me included) have called for calm.
I hope folks ON BOTH SIDES would take it on board. Please guys this isn't helpful and it's the last thing the majority of Bradford fans need.
Just for clarification I have been damning of Bradford in the past but this has been taken to a new level.
Edit-minority changed to majority.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"It would seem independent moderators for numerous clubs (me included) have called for calm.
I hope folks ON BOTH SIDES would take it on board. Please guys this isn't helpful and it's the last thing the majority of Bradford fans need.
Just for clarification I have been damning of Bradford in the past but this has been taken to a new level.
Edit-minority changed to majority.'"
For gods sake nobody has died its a rugby club with money troubles that's all people have long memories though Anakin that's why its been a bit nasty I think
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"For gods sake nobody has died its a rugby club with money troubles that's all people have long memories though Anakin that's why its been a bit nasty I think'"
You just said it yourself mate. It's got nasty.
Better to nip it in the bud now instead of allowing it to go a little Alan Pardew.
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| It's a forum where people voice their opinions, not everyone's opinion is one of total sympathy towards the Bradford club ...if people are allowed to post messages of good luck etc then its only fair that those who don't have a total love-in for that club are allowed to voice their's too.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"It's a forum where people voice their opinions, not everyone's opinion is one of total sympathy towards the Bradford club ...if people are allowed to post messages of good luck etc then its only fair that those who don't have a total love-in for that club are allowed to voice their's too.'"
You won't hear an arguement against that. However there has to be limits surely.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"It's a forum where people voice their opinions, not everyone's opinion is one of total sympathy towards the Bradford club ...if people are allowed to post messages of good luck etc then its only fair that those who don't have a total love-in for that club are allowed to voice their's too.'"
I agree.
It's not like some of these people are using abuse, or wishing death on people (you'd think they were from some reactions).
But what is really so wrong with just saying.......'' i hope bradford get relegated'' ?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"You won't hear an arguement against that. However there has to be limits surely.'"
Sure, as far as the "it's not Bradford's fault" attitude goes in the Bradford board - the "it's all Bradford's fault" attitude can go here.
Nobody wants anybody in the sport to go through this situation, but that doesn't mean that because it is happening the people to blame can't be blamed.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Sure, as far as the "it's not Bradford's fault" attitude goes in the Bradford board - the "it's all Bradford's fault" attitude can go here.
Nobody wants anybody in the sport to go through this situation, but that doesn't mean that because it is happening the people to blame can't be blamed.'"
Yeah, and the only people to blame for bradfords situation is bradford themselves. No single person, but as a collective.
Successive managements have failed to follow the most fundemental business principles.
Players, and coaches have underperformed. Poor league performances, early exits from the CC and playoffs, failure to make the playoffs for 5 years.
And the fans. Caisley warned them in 2004 that if they wanted a bulls club, they needed to get out and support the team. The fanbase has dropped, having a devastated impact on revenue. Issues above will have contributed to that.
So no, bulls fans, it's not the big bad rfl's fault. It's bradfords.
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| Just to be clear, opposing views are absolutely fine. Saying "this is all Bradford's fault" is a view I actually think has some merit.
It's the personal stuff I think we need to knock on the head.
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| The way i see it is they have continued to act like a big, successful club long after they were a big, successful club without stopping and having a look around and someone going 'whoooah hang on a minute'. When it started going breasts vertical and people were concerned they were helped out - indeed by the RFL themselves- now they need more help because they failed to help themselves last time they have now resorted to blaming the people who helped them for not helping them again !!
If i lent a mate £100 cos he couldn't pay his leccy bill cos he'd spent it all on beer and partying that weekend and he asked me to do the same 3 weeks later would it be my fault that his leccy got cut off cos he hadn't learnt ??
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| If TV's taught me anything it's that the lovable gangster hands over the money anyway whilst giving the bill money to the downtrodden wife.
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| Bulls only 2 points behind Wakey and London now
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Bulls only 2 points behind Wakey and London now'"
Makes the comments by Moore about certain relegation look even more churlish.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Makes the comments by Moore about certain relegation look even more churlish.'"
Not as much as London's players tackling themselves when they're only 6 points behind on the scoreboard and have the ball gifted to them
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"Not as much as London's players tackling themselves when they're only 6 points behind on the scoreboard and have the ball gifted to them'"
That sounder very odd on the radio....I really thought I'd misheard it!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"rule 1.4 applied by bewareshadows'"
What is this achieving?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"That sounder very odd on the radio....I really thought I'd misheard it!'"
No, Kearney slipped trying to catch the ball which went past him, the London player scooped it up, ran towards the Bulls line unopposed, then fell over and was tackled about half a yard from scoring. I feel sorry for the lad, can't be nice to have several thousand people all laughing at you.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Makes the comments by Moore about certain relegation look even more churlish.'"
certainly does.
The return fixture with Wakey will be the next "million pound match"
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| So the administrator had assurances that trade creditors were getting 100p in the £ from BB2014 and that was at the request of the RFL (I wonder what assurances that the RFL had given the administrator (who has significant legal powers) re sanctions as a quid pro quo?)
That interview with Sadler is specific that the only creditor not getting paid would be Omar himself.
Can we now assume that HMRC was being counted as a trade creditor?
So then the RFL decision would seem to be based on the question of enough capital from BB2014?
So then the story about spreading the £600k Sky money deduction over 5 years rather than this year becomes important, and not an unreasonable request?
Which can be spun as Rimmer saying a £500k advance, or also basically correct as deferring a £500k penalty...
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| The reduction in the sky money is the stupidest thing in this whole senario. OK Bulls stupid for offering it, RFL and the other clubs even more stupid for accepting it.
Financially penalising a club struggling financially was going to achieve what exactly?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"The reduction in the sky money is the stupidest thing in this whole senario. OK Bulls stupid for offering it, RFL and the other clubs even more stupid for accepting it.
Financially penalising a club struggling financially was going to achieve what exactly?'"
They were NOT PENALISED FINANCIALLY, it was NOT IMPOSED ON THEM. They OFFERED TO FORGO the money to STAY IN SL (much like the Liberal Dems will do much about anything to be in power).
And yet even while knowing they didn't have the money they still spent it, just as they had been doing for years. As others have pointed out they failed to cut their cloth to suit. Has it not dawned on you that if they'd have got the money they'd have simply spent even more and still been in the same boat?
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