In a lot worse shape than we are in now,

This is the future - beware, be careful what you wish for

Gubrats used to be a director at Leigh Centurions (about 10 years ago), so it's, Gubrats 1 Bramley Expansion Lover 0

Terry , you're not helping reasoned discussion , I've had discussions with BR before , every bodies opinions are different , because everybody is different , only time will tell who is right

sorry

That would explain why they were on the brink of oblivion a few years ago.

Your excuse for the game being on the brink of oblivion now is??

It is that sort of narrow minded thought process that has the game shuffling along with the same crowds in 2017 as we had a decade ago and with no real strategic plan to take the game forward other than to let private investors prop up clubs or fund fanciful expansionist clubs whilst the same 12/14 clubs dine from the central funding trough, jealously protecting "their game"



Marketing is an investment. You are correct that sometimes you don't get a return on the investment, but that is not the fault of "marketing" but the fault of the clubs for paying peanuts and employing monkeys who don't know how to market well!

Marketing is not a cost..........but what cost do you apportion failure to market? There's an actual figure to answer that by the way....so it was a loaded question.

David Hughes has flushed between 17-20 million pounds down the crapper over the last 12 years or so and his failure to put anything more than a pittance into marketing has resulted in a Team getting 4k averages in a state of the art Rugby facility becoming a 2nd division club teetering on the brink with 350 ST holders and playing out of a wedding venue and still 100% reliant on his benevolence........let that figure sink in, because that is the cost of NOT Marketing.

Marketing is not a cost....it is an investment!

No worries

You attempt to get a thread back on line instead of petty name calling , and then along comes ?

Hi Gutters , how's Wellinton tonight , I was hoping to visit in January but looks unlikely now

As a ' Marketeer ' you'll always put forward that argument , and to a degree you're right , especially on London , there is always more that can/could have been done , but it is a gamble , rarely have I seen any ' marketeer ' offer to do the work and only get paid out of the profits afterwards

Eric Perez is the greatest thing to happen to rugby league since the French tour of Australia in 1955.

He should be given complete control over what will turn out to be the North American conference of Super League (consisting hopefully of Toronto, Montreal, New York, Boston and perhaps Philadelphia or Jacksonville or Chicago). That conference will likely provide a Grand finalist of Super League by 2025, just in time for the north American based World Cup.

Well hopefully they will all have there own player pool by 2025. Otherwise none of us will.

They should have their own player pool by 2025, by recruiting backs, especially halves, from rugby union, and backs and forwards from American/Canadian football.

Each of these new clubs have to get their own junior setups and try to get into the schools. The billionaire backers should be encouraged to fund such activities.

eh?

If we get to the point of having 7/8 North American teams will they still be in Super League/Chanpionship or just set up their own American League???

I'm just amusing him.

No they won't and yes they will have a league of their own. Followed by another restructure,and the heartlands left to mop up again. Unless.....We make it work in our favour,preferably dosh.

It would be fantastic if North American teams became so strong they could set up their own fully professional league that could compete with Super League and the NRL. Why do you think this would be a bad thing? Super League teams could play the North American teams in a Champions League style tournament. I don’t think whether or not this will ever happen has much relevance to admitting New York to the Championship.

LOL

SL with its £1.8 million sc, competing with the NRL £5millon sc & NA with God know what sc they'll have

Correct, And once they've cherry picked all the cream from SL,we can all sit at home and watch it all on TV.

So you don’t want Rugby League to be a success across the World, as your worried your own club won’t be able to keep up.

What?

Have i, Or any other Leyther mentioned that we are worried about our own club? NO!

Just watch how many clubs that do get affected once we've been flea f****d.

On a different forum a Leeds fan suggested he'd be quite happy to see Leeds dropped to a 2 nd tier due to bigger NA clubs taking over SL , easy to say when there are 11 others standing in line in front of you

Unlikely I know , but it would be quite funny to see the Leeds,Wigan and Hulls of this world being clubs just making up the numbers bouncing round the bottom year on year

Maybe attitudes would be different then

Cost per acquisition marketing was to the fore back in the early noughties.....I once had control of a database of 26,000,0000 that's twenty six million...UK residents who were happy to be marketed to in return for the chance to win prizes......in 4 years that company went from a 100 million LSE worth back to a 5 million worth, but only because data laws changed......2004-2008 I delivered over 2,500,000 emails an HOUR in the UK....SOLICITED emails, not spam and we got paid per sale......and we got PAID!
The AA, BT, British Airways, Virgin and countless other brands played the game..........so nope, plenty of marketeers were prepared to do it on a CPA basis. Now it's cost per click, cost per eyeball cost per whatever......but it's still not expensive if you have the core of volunteers to help you out with leafleting....etc and if you have a savvy and hardworking PR person which Perez has......Toronto have invested in the longer game.