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Quote ="CM Punk"Good news, we have one. Coral, 2 year deal, 7 figures.
[url=https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/new-challenge-cup-sponsor-confirmed-and-catalans-will-take-part/?fbclid=IwAR3t8WIMOIhL-hRUUv_nY_kfUGFanr2qJ1NrSejoJ0IyHfTjBt2Q2QWVmEsCatalans are confirmed as entering also[/url'"
"Seven figures over two years"
By comparison, the Ladbrokes deal was worth a reported £1m a season. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/ ... llenge-cup
Essentially, we've re-negotiated with the existing sponsor (Ladbrokes owns Coral) on a seemingly much cheaper deal.
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Quote ="CM Punk"Good news, we have one. Coral, 2 year deal, 7 figures.
[url=https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/new-challenge-cup-sponsor-confirmed-and-catalans-will-take-part/?fbclid=IwAR3t8WIMOIhL-hRUUv_nY_kfUGFanr2qJ1NrSejoJ0IyHfTjBt2Q2QWVmEsCatalans are confirmed as entering also[/url'"
"Seven figures over two years"
By comparison, the Ladbrokes deal was worth a reported £1m a season. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/ ... llenge-cup
Essentially, we've re-negotiated with the existing sponsor (Ladbrokes owns Coral) on a seemingly much cheaper deal.
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Quote ="bramleyrhino""Seven figures over two years"
By comparison, the Ladbrokes deal was worth a reported £1m a season. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/ ... llenge-cup
Essentially, we've re-negotiated with the existing sponsor (Ladbrokes owns Coral) on a seemingly much cheaper deal.'"
What if that 7 figure number is £2,500,000?
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Quote ="bramleyrhino""Seven figures over two years"
By comparison, the Ladbrokes deal was worth a reported £1m a season. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/ ... llenge-cup
Essentially, we've re-negotiated with the existing sponsor (Ladbrokes owns Coral) on a seemingly much cheaper deal.'"
What if that 7 figure number is £2,500,000?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"What if that 7 figure number is £2,500,000?'"
It would annoy the doom merchants.
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| Quote ="bren2k"That already exists - or it did a few years ago; you should know that WC - you came to the GF with the amateur club that I was involved with!
It was pretty straightforward iirc - the RFL Development Officer came to the club and brokered an allocation of tickets for a discounted rate - which wasn't payable until after the event; they also sorted out coaches, which again, we didn't have to pay for until after we'd sold all the tickets. We filled, I think, 3 coaches, and made a decent wedge to support the club.
Do they not operate that scheme any more?'"
I remember it well and it was a decent trip but, you certainly dont see much in the way of promotion / advertising of the Challenge Cup Final or GF from the SL clubs that arent playing.
Every club could /should be pushing the event and THe RFL could certainly find a way to incentivise this.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"What if that 7 figure number is £2,500,000?'"
As a gambling man, I'd take the bet that it isn't.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"You’ve got a real bee in your bonnet about this and came onto the Bradford board to argue about it.
Please forgive the little championship clubs for wanting to drum up a bit more interest/cash from pre-season games. In the face of losing revenue thanks to clubs like yours.
What do you think’s going to happen when all those clubs go out of business? If it’s that you think we’ll all Start supporting club’s like Wakefield you’re in for a shock.'"
How would you feel were Leeds to enter a team next year? Given that we actually voted against cutting money to the lower leagues. Against lower league opposition this year we've fielded competitive teams against Donny & Coventry pre-season and are due to meet Hunslet and Fev. Wouldn't mind something along the lines of the YC, it'd be good to visit the odd different ground.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Wouldn't mind something along the lines of the YC, it'd be good to visit the odd different ground.'"
Didn't you lot already try this approach with the Middle 8s?
Wouldn't mind some of cup for the Lancashire sides as well, Wigan could probably field 2 teams to get the kids some more experience.
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| Quote ="CM Punk"Didn't you lot already try this approach with the Middle 8s?
Wouldn't mind some of cup for the Lancashire sides as well, Wigan could probably field 2 teams to get the kids some more experience.'"
We did and while the experience of "qualifying" was a painful one, it was good to take on the likes of Fax, Fev and London away and welcome very enthusiastic support from the likes of Batley in proper game settings. IIRC, the attendance for the Batley game was over 15k.
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| Quote ="CM Punk"Didn't you lot already try this approach with the Middle 8s?
Wouldn't mind some of cup for the Lancashire sides as well, Wigan could probably field 2 teams to get the kids some more experience.'" it would be a great idea its whats needed in the game, reserve sides or under 19s into each comp to get income coming in for all clubs, more than likely strong championship sides would win the comp anyway don't see that as a hassle, just a few sad bulls fans that are still hurting about falling from grace from the super league
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"What if that 7 figure number is £2,500,000?'"
If the deal was a penny bigger than the last, I believe the self promoting prix at the RFL would have mentioned it. As has been said, we have the same sponsor for a lower fee.......and I see that there's no mention of who blinked first in regards of the £500k demand......but well done the RFL for spinning this in a positive light
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| Quote ="Call Me God"If the deal was a penny bigger than the last, I believe the self promoting prix at the RFL would have mentioned it. As has been said, we have the same sponsor for a lower fee.......and I see that there's no mention of who blinked first in regards of the £500k demand......but well done the RFL for spinning this in a positive light
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So have we got anything other than assumptions? Looks like the people spinning things the most are yourself and Brantley who have a history criticising the RFL and their marketing and have just read it how you’ve wanted to so you can have a pop at them again.
May be lower, may not, you both seem to be judging on your predetermined opinion on the RFL.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"May be lower, may not, you both seem to be judging on your predetermined opinion on the RFL.'"
I repeat. If it were a cent more than the last deal, the RFL would have trumpeted that fact....the reality that we have is that they didn't, so it is a fair assumption, given their recent ability to mess pretty much anything and everything up, that the owners of the new sponsors, Coral, who happen to be owned by the previous sponsors, Ladbrooks have got a better deal than before which also includes the ladies Cup too.
I agree that I am not the biggest fan of the RFL, but this assumption is made based on the simple reality that nobody at the RFL has ever missed an opportunity for self promotion and not just on my belief that they couldn't organise a p-up in a brewery.
As for Catalans paying £500,000........who do you think blinked first? If I were to bet on it, I'd reckon that no money has changed hands, but if that were to become public knowledge, then the Mancpack and Toulouse would be exempt too....so again, this is mentioned but with no detail...great spin doctoring!
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I repeat. If it were a cent more than the last deal, the RFL would have trumpeted that fact....the reality that we have is that they didn't, so it is a fair assumption, given their recent ability to mess pretty much anything and everything up, that the owners of the new sponsors, Coral, who happen to be owned by the previous sponsors, Ladbrooks have got a better deal than before which also includes the ladies Cup too.
I agree that I am not the biggest fan of the RFL, but this assumption is made based on the simple reality that nobody at the RFL has ever missed an opportunity for self promotion and not just on my belief that they couldn't organise a p-up in a brewery.
As for Catalans paying £500,000........who do you think blinked first? If I were to bet on it, I'd reckon that no money has changed hands, but if that were to become public knowledge, then the Mancpack and Toulouse would be exempt too....so again, this is mentioned but with no detail...great spin doctoring!'"
They didn’t trumpet the Ladbrokes one. If you actually bother reading the article BramleyRhino linked then it just reads “the deal is believed to be worth in excess of £1m a season”.....no actual quote from anybody or exact figure....exact same as today’s announce. You’ve just read what you wanted to read. Could even be exactly the same amount per year so why they’ve not come out saying it’s more (but doesn’t mean it’s less either)
As for Catalans, doubt the RFL have got £500k out of them, but who knows they may still have got a little something off them. Kind of life a transfer fee, say a players value is £300k then you’re going to get more than if you come out and say his value is £150k
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Brantley who have a history criticising the RFL and their marketing and have just read it how you’ve wanted to so you can have a pop at them again.'"
I think you've got me confused with someone else. The view I've consistently expressed is that the RFL is often used unfairly as a lightning rod for failures at club level. That view tends to be at odds with the prevailing opinion on this forum.
I'll critique the RFL where I see fit, but to say I've got a "history of it" is wide of the mark.
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| Gutters is correct on this one. if the deal was more lucrative than the last, the RFL PR Machine would be shouting it from the rooftops
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So have we got anything other than assumptions? Looks like the people spinning things the most are yourself and Brantley who have a history criticising the RFL and their marketing and have just read it how you’ve wanted to so you can have a pop at them again.
May be lower, may not, you both seem to be judging on your predetermined opinion on the RFL.'" why are you trying to protect the dignity of the RFL, they are totally inept and have a past history of ruining the game
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| Quote ="snowie"why are you trying to protect the dignity of the RFL, they are totally inept and have a past history of ruining the game
its about time there was a massive inquest into how they run it'"
They don’t run it. The clubs do. It wasnt the RFL that sold all its assets and spent all the money on players.
The RFL need improving, but a massive inquest is more needed into how the clubs run themselves and the game. Because for the most part they’re god awful.
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| Quote ="snowie"why are you trying to protect the dignity of the RFL, they are totally inept and have a past history of ruining the game
its about time there was a massive inquest into how they run it'"
I’m not trying to protect them, simply pointing out that we don’t know what the new CC deal is in comparison to the previous despite the assumptions of some.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"They didn’t trumpet the Ladbrokes one. If you actually bother reading the article BramleyRhino linked then it just reads “the deal is believed to be worth in excess of £1m a season”.....no actual quote from anybody or exact figure....exact same as today’s announce. You’ve just read what you wanted to read. Could even be exactly the same amount per year so why they’ve not come out saying it’s more (but doesn’t mean it’s less either)
As for Catalans, doubt the RFL have got £500k out of them, but who knows they may still have got a little something off them. Kind of life a transfer fee, say a players value is £300k then you’re going to get more than if you come out and say his value is £150k'"
Buddy....I have some really bad news for you regarding Santa and the tooth fairy if you believe that the RFL got anything other than less for the cup this time than last.......or do you believe the the RFL wanted more or the same and were happy for ladbrooks to walk away, confident that they'd be back to pay
I have no doubt that you're a smart fella, but for gods sake stop digging yourself into a hole here.......they got less, pure and simple and I reckon (assumption) that Catalans didn't pay a brass farthing either.........but great spin.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"They didn’t trumpet the Ladbrokes one. If you actually bother reading the article BramleyRhino linked then it just reads “the deal is believed to be worth in excess of £1m a season”.....no actual quote from anybody or exact figure....exact same as today’s announce. You’ve just read what you wanted to read. Could even be exactly the same amount per year so why they’ve not come out saying it’s more (but doesn’t mean it’s less either)
As for Catalans, doubt the RFL have got £500k out of them, but who knows they may still have got a little something off them. Kind of life a transfer fee, say a players value is £300k then you’re going to get more than if you come out and say his value is £150k'"
They shouldn't be asking or getting a penny out of Catalan just to "allow" them to defend the cup.
It was a stupid decision to ask and has seen Toronto and Toulouse drop from the competition, a massive backward step and fundamentally wrong.
If the fixtures happen to give either of these sides and advantage in the Championship, there will be uproar (and rightly so).
Lets imagine that either side are down to play, say ,Halifax, the week after a round of Challenge Cup fixtures.
Should Fax play a weakened side in the cup to "save" themselves for the more important league fixture or, be disadvantaged in the battle for promotion.
Equally, if the overseas sides wish to be part of SL or The Championship, they shouldn't be allowed to cherry pick the competitions that they wish to enter.
Also, the elephant in the room would still be the prospect of Catalan or, at some point in the future, Toronto making the GF. Old Trafford would have more empty seats than full ones.
Maybe Catalan should be stumping up another £500k, just in case
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"They shouldn't be asking or getting a penny out of Catalan just to "allow" them to defend the cup.
It was a stupid decision to ask and has seen Toronto and Toulouse drop from the competition, a massive backward step and fundamentally wrong.
If the fixtures happen to give either of these sides and advantage in the Championship, there will be uproar (and rightly so).
Lets imagine that either side are down to play, say ,Halifax, the week after a round of Challenge Cup fixtures.
Should Fax play a weakened side in the cup to "save" themselves for the more important league fixture or, be disadvantaged in the battle for promotion.
Equally, if the overseas sides wish to be part of SL or The Championship, they shouldn't be allowed to cherry pick the competitions that they wish to enter.
Also, the elephant in the room would still be the prospect of Catalan or, at some point in the future, Toronto making the GF. Old Trafford would have more empty seats than full ones.
Maybe Catalan should be stumping up another £500k, just in case
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Is Toronto and Toulouse e in the other cup that’s at Wembley on the same day has the final
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| Quote ="Someday"Is Toronto and Toulouse e in the other cup that’s at Wembley on the same day has the final'"
Is that the "Johnny Foreigner Cup Final", only open to clubs outside Yorkshire and Lancashire.
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| Quote ="snowie"https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/47205114 is the beeb wrong or is all 14 championship clubs in the cup now
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I reckon it's 9 of one and a half dozen of the other
Is there another professional sport that can regularly make a pigs ear out of a silk purse? It really is like the powers that be just rock up at the time allocated and try to wing it......
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