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| Quote ="moto748"So if you really think going with a second-rower at centre is a good idea, you might as well go with Bateman, who's played there before at international level (and done OK). But I'd have Shenton at centre for sure.'"
Our 2nd centre is a bit of a weakness. How has Leroy Cudjoe been playing this year? I've hardly seen him play this year but always thought he's alright, plus he plays alongside McGilvary at club level.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Currie is injured again as well.'"
Not according to Currie..
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| It has to be Hardaker.
Hall. I like Eden, he's lively enough, but he is at risk of being man handled by the better teams. Hall, while he is just steady, is the better left winger for international rugby.
Percival. Left centre is hotly contested, Shenton is great, but Percival is the longer term prospect while being top class at the moment. Gildart looks to have potential too.
Right centre will be Watkins.
Right wing, for similar reasons to Hall, will by McGilvary
Widdop is going well in the NRL so is a shoe in.
Gale has been top draw, so I expect him to start 7.
Graham. NRL pulls rank with Bennett.
Hodgson. Ditto
Sam Burgess. Playing well in a poor team, world class, has to start.
Whitehead. Doing ok in the NRL, think Bennett will favour him
Bateman. Tough as white dog sh.t, dangerous ball runner and defends well.
O'Loughlin. Still got it, and captain so has to start.
Hill. Think he will stick with Hill despite indifferent form.
Heighington. Doing enough for Cronulla, could retain his spot.
T. Burgess. Sheer size and power will get him in the frame, not that I think he's better than Taylor or Walmsley.
Currie. Unlucky to miss out last year, if he proves his fitness he could take the bench spot as a bit of a utility.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Hall has missed 20 tackles compared to Eden's 9.
This idea that Hall's kick returns are better is also a fallacy. Hall may be stronger in contact, but Eden's pace gets him further forward before contact.'"
Just to add detail, Hall has played a couple of games at centre and also himself has had about 6 different centre partners this season. Hardly helpful.
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| Quote ="Smith's Brolly"Not according to Currie..'"
Fair dos. Great news if he's fit for the WC then, would walk into my England 17.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Fair dos. Great news if he's fit for the WC then, would walk into my England 17.'"
Not for me if enough other 2nd rowers are fit. If Warrington had made it into the Top 8 maybe but 2 sub appearances and then Middle 8's opposition isn't the preparation someone who has yet to play international RL needs.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"It has to be Hardaker.
Hall. I like Eden, he's lively enough, but he is at risk of being man handled by the better teams. Hall, while he is just steady, is the better left winger for international rugby.
Percival. Left centre is hotly contested, Shenton is great, but Percival is the longer term prospect while being top class at the moment. Gildart looks to have potential too.
Right centre will be Watkins.
Right wing, for similar reasons to Hall, will by McGilvary
Widdop is going well in the NRL so is a shoe in.
Gale has been top draw, so I expect him to start 7.
Graham. NRL pulls rank with Bennett.
Hodgson. Ditto
Sam Burgess. Playing well in a poor team, world class, has to start.
Whitehead. Doing ok in the NRL, think Bennett will favour him
Bateman. Tough as white dog sh.t, dangerous ball runner and defends well.
O'Loughlin. Still got it, and captain so has to start.
Hill. Think he will stick with Hill despite indifferent form.
Heighington. Doing enough for Cronulla, could retain his spot.
T. Burgess. Sheer size and power will get him in the frame, not that I think he's better than Taylor or Walmsley.
Currie. Unlucky to miss out last year, if he proves his fitness he could take the bench spot as a bit of a utility.'"
McMeekan? Our second rowers have been criticised for being too small for the last few years.
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| Eden has surpassed most people's expectations no doubt, but there are still better wingers than him in SL, players who have done well playing for England.
I'd have Mcgillvary, Hall, Makinson and Burgess in front of him.
Gale and Hardaker should be two of the first names in the 13, I'd also have McMeeken and Shenton in the squad, but there is tough competition in the backrow with the likes of Currie, Whitehead, Burgess, Farrell and Bateman. Maybe it's better long term to play Watkins and Percival in the centres.
My 17 would be
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Hall
Watkins
Percival
Mcgillvary
Widdop
Gale
Graham
Hodgson
Hill
Bateman
Whitehead
Burgess
Walmsley
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Williams
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| Wrt to centres (and wingers) it won't even matter who we pick there if we play like we did in last years internationals. The three quarters barely saw any ball in the opposition half. The idea that a left wing of Shenton and Eden would be able to replicate their Cas form under the tactics of Wayne Bennett is far fetched.
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| The idea that they could replicate Cas form against an Australia defence is far fetched, regardless of the coach.
Just on kick returns, that was one of the worst things about Eden in his few games for the Broncos. He looked like he'd lose the ball in collision almost every time and regularly got smashed. Utter nonsense to suggest at international level his kick returns would be anywhere near as good as Hall (or McGilvary). Its one of Hall's major strengths - he's strong enough to take the contact and not get picked up and pushed back 10 yards after contact.
It was a major failing in Joe Burgess' early games for the Roosters as well. He became a target for kicks because he went into contact far too upright, and allowed defenders to hold him up and run him backwards. By the end of the year he was making sure in the same position he was getting to the ground.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"McMeekan? Our second rowers have been criticised for being too small for the last few years.'"
McMeekan would be in my squad, but Bateman and is ahead of him on quality (as is Currie in my opinion), and NRL experience/bias will have Whitehead above them all.
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| Are Bateman and McMeeken better options at 2nd row than Sean O'loughlin?
I expect all 3 to be in the World Cup squad.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Are Bateman and McMeeken better options at 2nd row than Sean O'loughlin?
I expect all 3 to be in the World Cup squad.'"
I expect this to be O'loughlin swansong at international level, but he would be in my pack for this WC. I think him at lock with Sam Burgess and Mcmeekan / Whitehead in the back row is how i would go... i know it will rile certain Wigan fans, but size is needed against huge Aussie- Kiwi packs and Bateman and Farrell are both excellent players but too small for me. I would have both in the squad though.
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| I think Stevie Ward has a shot at being included. Bennett seems to be fan and called him into last years squad to have a look at him even though he had no plans to play him because he'd only just returned from injury.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I expect this to be O'loughlin swansong at international level, but he would be in my pack for this WC. I think him at lock with Sam Burgess and Mcmeekan / Whitehead in the back row is how i would go... i know it will rile certain Wigan fans, but size is needed against huge Aussie- Kiwi packs and Bateman and Farrell are both excellent players but too small for me. I would have both in the squad though.'"
As a Wigan fan this is exactly how I would go. Having O'Loughlin at loose gives you an extra pivot because of the way he plays and would be wasted anywhere else. Either play him at 13 or don't play him at all. Burgess and Whitehead or McMeeken at second row too.
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| I was appalled Farrell didn't make the mid season test team considering we were shy of Bateman and Currie due to injury but unless he's played for the full 80 mins, it's worthless considering him. It's his consistent level of performance and his fitness levels over 80 minutes which make him such a force at superleague level but he won't make an impact playing for 20 and 30 minutes a game against Australia or New Zealand. With that in mind I'd leave him out.
The backrowers I'd take are Lockers, Whitehead, Bateman, Currie and McMeekan in that order with the option of Sam Burgess slotting in there if needed.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"I think Stevie Ward has a shot at being included. Bennett seems to be fan and called him into last years squad to have a look at him even though he had no plans to play him because he'd only just returned from injury.'"
I expect Stevie Ward will be in the squad. He has also covered centre a few times and could do for England if we pick up injuries.
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| I expect the squad to look something like.
Hardraker
Hall
Watkins
Percival
Mcgillvary
Widdop
Gale
Graham
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Hill
S Burgess
Whitehead
O'loughlin
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G Burgess
Ward
Roby
Williams
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T Burgess
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| Disappointing result for Leeds today but any doubt that Ryan Hall can still produce in big games? He had no right to score either of those tries. Great finishes.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"I expect the squad to look something like.
Hardraker
Hall
Watkins
Percival
Mcgillvary
Widdop
Gale
Graham
Hodgson
Hill
S Burgess
Whitehead
O'loughlin
Clark
Walmsley
G Burgess
Ward
Roby
Williams
Currie
McMeeken
Tomkins
Shenton
T Burgess'"
I think that's pretty much spot on apart from I'd expect Taylor in place of Walmsley.
I know Eden has scored a lot of tries but he is a long way off International quality imo. It reminds me of Goulding getting picked on the wing about 6 or 7 years ago simply because he scored a lot of tries that year.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe" He had no right to score either of those tries.'"
In the case of the second one, I'm not convinced he did!
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"I expect the squad to look something like.
Hardraker
Hall
Watkins
Percival
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Hodgson
Hill
S Burgess
Whitehead
O'loughlin
Clark
Walmsley
G Burgess
Ward
Roby
Williams
Currie
McMeeken
Tomkins
Shenton
T Burgess'"
24 players and no room for John Bateman?
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Disappointing result for Leeds today but any doubt that Ryan Hall can still produce in big games? He had no right to score either of those tries. Great finishes.'"
There are only 2 world class players in SL and hall is one of them
Regards
King James
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| Quote ="Lebron James"There are only 2 world class players in SL and hall is one of them
Regards
King James'"
Go back to living in Russel Westbrook's shadow. Ryan Hall was world class but no longer is.
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| Quote ="cas all the way"Go back to living in Russel Westbrook's shadow. Ryan Hall was world class but no longer is.'"
And Eden never will be
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