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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony.'"
He was asked about the Tautai tackle last week after the match and he answered, he was asked about Wane's comments after this weeks match and he answered. Hardly deflecting by answering the questions put to him. If somebody asked him about a possible gouge by Ablett and he declined to talk about it and changed subject then you'd have a point, but since they didn't then you don't have anything. I doubt minutes after the game ended he was online checking out all the stills opposition fans had posted of the Ablett incident to even know about it. |
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Brian Mac said what RL supporters of clubs other than Wigan have been saying for ages - that type of reckless, unnecessary tackle technique is a scourge on the game and should be stamped out. I can't see how anyone can find that to be controversial - it's undeniably the case.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Brian Mac said what RL supporters of clubs other than Wigan have been saying for ages - that type of reckless, unnecessary tackle technique is a scourge on the game and should be stamped out. I can't see how anyone can find that to be controversial - it's undeniably the case.'"
Thing is as well, that after the Wigan game his initial comments he did his best to not point the finger at Wane or Wigan or even Tautai. He just wanted to point towards that type of tackle in the game in general.
Yet Wane had to play the victim card and accuse McDermott of trying to influence the disciplinary.....why would we btw as we are entering the Middle 8's so the length of Tautai's ban has no effect on us. |
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"He was asked about the Tautai tackle last week after the match and he answered, he was asked about Wane's comments after this weeks match and he answered. Hardly deflecting by answering the questions put to him. If somebody asked him about a possible gouge by Ablett and he declined to talk about it and changed subject then you'd have a point, but since they didn't then you don't have anything. I doubt minutes after the game ended he was online checking out all the stills opposition fans had posted of the Ablett incident to even know about it.'"
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure you Leeds fans would do the same when Wane answers a question posed to him.  |
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He's absolutely spot on, the RFL are absolutely culpable in what happens both on and off the field. By allowing certain aspects of the game to slide they by definition do not discourage it, the nature of some human beings to try to get away with as much as they can not just in sport but in life as a whole is obvious and has gone on since when we were in caves (Wane is mentally still there at times).
If it were my leg that got broken or I had to give up my career due to an injury/incident from a tackle like this (& the wigan player isn't the only one nor will he be the last) I would be taking a course of legal action against the RFL for recompense and to force them to change how they run the game, that laying out exactly why they have not done enough and basically ignored the safety of players on field by not addressing the problem as highlighted by BM and many others.
The RFL make a big noise about player welfare and reducing injuries but it's come to a point where if BM is saying players are fearful of what might happen when they are stood up in a tackle then you know there is something seriously, seriously wrong.
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He's absolutely spot on, the RFL are absolutely culpable in what happens both on and off the field. By allowing certain aspects of the game to slide they by definition do not discourage it, the nature of some human beings to try to get away with as much as they can not just in sport but in life as a whole is obvious and has gone on since when we were in caves (Wane is mentally still there at times).
If it were my leg that got broken or I had to give up my career due to an injury/incident from a tackle like this (& the wigan player isn't the only one nor will he be the last) I would be taking a course of legal action against the RFL for recompense and to force them to change how they run the game, that laying out exactly why they have not done enough and basically ignored the safety of players on field by not addressing the problem as highlighted by BM and many others.
The RFL make a big noise about player welfare and reducing injuries but it's come to a point where if BM is saying players are fearful of what might happen when they are stood up in a tackle then you know there is something seriously, seriously wrong.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony.'"
I think the finger should point to Wane as far as hypocrisy goes, maybe he doesn't know the meaning of it and perhaps he thinks its some sort of pelvic bone disease. As far as gouging is concerned I should imagine Ablett is very poor standard in comparison to Gareth Hock.
McDermott's comments were very neutral and balanced in the context of the sport, his opinion on Krap Wane was a surprise but probably quite valid over the last 4 weeks, Wane needs to wind his neck in, but that might be difficult because I don't think he's got one. |
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think the finger should point to Wane as far as hypocrisy goes, maybe he doesn't know the meaning of it and perhaps he thinks its some sort of pelvic bone disease. As far as gouging is concerned I should imagine Ablett is very poor standard in comparison to Gareth Hock.
McDermott's comments were very neutral and balanced in the context of the sport, his opinion on Krap Wane was a surprise but probably quite valid over the last 4 weeks, Wane needs to wind his neck in, but that might be difficult because I don't think he's got one.'"
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think the finger should point to Wane as far as hypocrisy goes, maybe he doesn't know the meaning of it and perhaps he thinks its some sort of pelvic bone disease. As far as gouging is concerned I should imagine Ablett is very poor standard in comparison to Gareth Hock.
McDermott's comments were very neutral and balanced in the context of the sport, his opinion on Krap Wane was a surprise but probably quite valid over the last 4 weeks, Wane needs to wind his neck in, but that might be difficult because I don't think he's got one.'"
Scraping the barrel a bit with a reference to a player who hasn't played for us for 4 years. That said I bet you screamed blue murder when it happened but can't find it in you to condemn Ablett. |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Scraping the barrel a bit with a reference to a player who hasn't played for us for 4 years. That said I bet you screamed blue murder when it happened but can't find it in you to condemn Ablett.'"
Its like 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish with Wigan they always provide controversy. Gareth Hock was a double eye gouge, I don't know why you.ve put a time scale on it, stuff like that doesn't go away to be forgotten. I assume the Ben Flower incident disappears in year 2020 in the Wigoon mindset. |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony.'"
You're deflecting, the eye gouge is of no relevance in comparison to a type of potentially dangerous tackle that is now an epidemic in the game. Have you actually watched the interview? Because you seem to have missed the point of what Mcdermott is saying. |
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"You're deflecting, the eye gouge is of no relevance in comparison to a type of potentially dangerous tackle that is now an epidemic in the game. Have you actually watched the interview? Because you seem to have missed the point of what Mcdermott is saying.'"
"The eye gouge is of no relevance." There you have it. Please, continue to pretend you're concerned about foul play and player welfare... |
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Its like 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish with Wigan they always provide controversy. Gareth Hock was a double eye gouge, I don't know why you.ve put a time scale on it, stuff like that doesn't go away to be forgotten. I assume the Ben Flower incident disappears in year 2020 in the Wigoon mindset.'"
They spent last year saying, get over the Ben flower incident, it was the year before lets move on, stop bringing it up.
Yet are quite happy to keep bringing up Ben Westwood and Blake green.
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Everyone keeps rattling on about an eye gouge, well I can't see it myself nothing more than pushing and shoving and hand in face, hull kr player uses head and elbow, but nobody interested in that just want to try and create some controversy, and when the Rfl say no case to answer with ablett there will be faux outrage and Rfl are a joke Leeds run Rfl comments.
Rugby league is a tough game and things sometimes boil over, if you don't like it sod off and watch soccer
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior""The eye gouge is of no relevance." There you have it. Please, continue to pretend you're concerned about foul play and player welfare...'"
I'm not saying the act itself is of no relevance, It's of no relevance [iin this discussion.[/i
Mcdermott is trying to make a point that the game needs to eradicate those type of tackles because they have a disproportionate potential to injure. He's repeatedly said it's not about wigan but the governing bodies attitude towards that tackle.
So wane get's upset and thinks for some reason leeds are trying to get a player banned and when questioned on wanes comments mcdermott stands by his comments that the tackle should be stopped.
After all that you keep rabbiting on about an alleged eye gouge in a completely different incident. It's a defence Mechanism because you are taking it as an attack on wane and wigan so are then pointing the finger at a player in Mcdermott's team and using that as justification that mcdermott shouldn't be speaking out because his players do bad stuff as well, that's the logic you are using.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"b) the rfl have the right attitude towards the eye gouge. If found guily it receives a healthy punishment and rarely occurs.'"
Indeed - they're so averse to it, that they banned Scott Moore for one, without any actual evidence, other than the incessant whining of Denis Betts. |
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Whilst Ablett's wasnt an actual gouge, it was still unneceseray and dangerous contact with the eyes. He should be banned IMO. Especially when the evidence is more visual than the hearsay that got Scott Moore banned.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting... '"
That's exactly what you're doing, same as you and other Wigans fans do EVERY year when this topic comes up. |
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| Quote ="loiner81"That's exactly what you're doing, same as you and other Wigans fans do EVERY year when this topic comes up.'"
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| Quote ="Willzay"Whilst Ablett's wasnt an actual gouge, it was still unneceseray and dangerous contact with the eyes. He should be banned IMO. Especially when the evidence is more visual than the hearsay that got Scott Moore banned.'"
Wouldn't have a problem if he was. As you point out, it wasn't a gouge but neither was it a mere shove to the face.
But getting back on topic, I cringe when I see players from any side targeting the lower leg of a held player from any other angle than behind. The knee is only designed to bend in one direction and even a small impact that causes deviation from that can cause pain, damage or both. The irritating thing is that tackles like that could be outlawed at a stroke; there really can be no justification for doing otherwise IMO. |
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Wouldn't have a problem if he was. As you point out, it wasn't a gouge but neither was it a mere shove to the face.
But getting back on topic, I cringe when I see players from any side targeting the lower leg of a held player from any other angle than behind. The knee is only designed to bend in one direction and even a small impact that causes deviation from that can cause pain, damage or both. The irritating thing is that tackles like that could be outlawed at a stroke; there really can be no justification for doing otherwise IMO.'"
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"even behind is a problem, ball carrier falling backwards while tackler is underneath pushing knees and lower legs forwards and the weight of two tacklers on top,no one controlling him to the floor, allsorts have the potential to go wrong there.'"
But then if a player won't go down, and he's not held, what's your suggestion? |
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