If you don't like it Nik , don't read it

Go and watch it then , if it's so bloody good

Watching Basketball is the most mind numbing thing anybody can do , it's like slow motion tennis

There has been only 2 crusaders. BTW. If for the purposes of this debate we are treating them as separate, though im sure this will change when it suits you

And just because it suits your argument to imagine something doesnt mean it is true, maybe Charlie Sheen could function working with what you imagine would happen in your imaginary alternate reality, but i find it helps to work with what actually happened. Who knows if Crusaders in their original guise would have moved. What we do know is that before the end of their first season the submitted planning permission and had mooted an alternate ground for their third season whilst their stadium was been built all suggests Brewery Field was a short-term plan.

Yet it is a huge sport, with world wide reach and the Raptors are a valid example of what he asked for.

See you've done it again , that word ' plan ' , ime planning to win the lottery this weekend

It means absolutely nothing , especially when it involves RL and stadiums , I do believe that Saints and Salford will play at new stadia by 2013 , both have been ' planning ' for years , Cas and Wakey have been planning for around a decade , neither will play in new stadia inside 3 years

Plans are not worth the paper they are written on

Go and watch it

All I have said is that their stay at brewery field was planned to be short.

Im not sure why you expected my to try and do that without using the word 'plan'

why?

Maybe if they had got the stadium first , we might have still had a SL club in South Wales , much like the other Championship clubs had to do , oh I forgot we did , but they couldn't see it , there was a load of steel,bricks and concrete in the way

a team cant be promoted or relegated if there is only one tier

Why?

Well you would be a lot happier with people so blinkered and blind to what is actually happening in front of them , you would feel at home there

Why what ?

Have you got ' hiccups ' ?

what does that have to do with whether or not the Toronto Raptors were a valid example of an expansion club picked on reasons beyond their on the field results.

why do you think at least 3 more years in the championships with no guarantee of promotion would have helped crusaders get a new stadium and be better placed to succeed?

Well it couldn't have gone much worse than it did , could it ?

In a new stadium they might have drawn better support from both fans and sponsors and become viable SL material , you know , like other Championship clubs did ?

You think that it's bollox that times and circumstances change? You think that times and circumstances remain constant? Chance for a cheap joke about a club there, but I'll leave it.

Why would you think that I think their application featured going into administration in it? Are you convinced that they're genuine plans were to move to a stadium that was never going to get built, and that's the same as Cas and Wakey?

The request was for sports. It wasn't limited to sports where teams have their own assigned stadia and are relevant to Starbugland (both are relevant in normal Britain) and not played in the US and Japan.

They can be brought into the league or removed from the league.

Indeed. For rugby league: with friends like these, who needs enemies?

Are attendances really higher? is this year a record so far???If you had 8k on paying full price and now have 11k paying much reduced fee how is that a gain cash wise?quickest way to the poor house

How is the tv deal worth more when they accept less each deal,please explain that one

Like I said come on name these new clubs with there wealthy backers queing up to play our sport?

We get more exposure,really,hidden behind the red button on sky sports 4,more money,please tell us what extra money we get for moving our games to a thurday night? please tell me how much we get from sky owning the rights to the lower leagues even though we were told for years we were not included in any tv deal so there fore we don't get any,ah then we get a tv deal sorted only for sky to wave there contract showing they have the rights due to the tv deal??

So you wonder why teams outside of super league are so ssed off with the whole set up

People keep dismissing the gains union are making year on year,there prem crowds are growing clubs are expanding there grounds to get fans in,no need to mention a international fixture list on a permament basis grossing millions after millions,yep we will continue on believing everything is hunky doray

:17zp92wjthis season is only a few games old, it would seem silly to use it for any comparison. Last year more people watched a live game of professional domestic rugby league than before.

:17zp92wjthey havent accepted less each deal. God Knows where you made that little nugget up from.

:17zp92wjI just did for you sweetheart.

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you have made every single part of this up. The championship game isnt screened 'behind the red button'. They werent included in the TV deal a separate TV deal was done specifically for the championships. There was no tv deal sorted and sky waiving their contract showing they have the rights. That is all just in your imagination.

:17zp92wjbecause like you they are stupid and make things up then get all in a tizzy because of the things they have made up.

we are also growing. we need to do more, but cutting back to the heartlands isnt going to do that

Have the Governing body killed our game? I panicked for a bit there but no, I have done a bit of research and I can confirm that the game is still alive and there are a number of fixtures going ahead next weekend so you can relax

Best comment I've seen on VT in a long time. What's most frightening though is that the RFL seem to have lost sight of this simple fact!