Why do you persist in making things up , you know full well that I have not suggested any such thing , my gripe is not the amount of money they do or dont spend on the Championships , it's how and what they spend it on , I notice you dont mention the quarter of a million flying teams over the channel , that would lead me to think that you also see the waste of money that is

By all means lift the drawbridge , cut the cord , but at least put some thought into what the clubs left out need to survive and prosper , a weekend booze up in France and a totally unrealistic hunt for a sugar daddy is a waste of time and badly needed money , as for the TV deal , well yes I was one of those calling for it , is it a success ? , not really , it brings nothing for the clubs featured , mostly due to the thursday slot it costs clubs money

A sponsor yes , for some clubs , it is quite incredible that some clubs have not recieved a single penny from the Co-op after 3 years of sponsorship

Oh not you two going on again.
To be fair I also now think Toulouse in the Chp is a waste of resources having agreed with it 12-18 months ago, although there have been positives seeing them compete in a higher standard league they'd be better preparing in their own league and the funds spread elsewhere in other areas.
As I said in the other thread, if they're going to be readied for SL tell them in 2011 and let them have three years prep without wasting that sort of money for 2014

I never mentioned once in that post that I expect the French Elite to be on the same level as the Super League. I was talking about below the Super League (hence why I said "This would mean that French clubs would have to play in France and Welsh clubs play in Wales though rather than play in the Championship"icon_wink.gif.


If anything, you've sort of helped make my point. The Super League is no more a "European League" than the Championship, yet you have called the Championship the top of the English system.

The Super League is an English league, run by the English governing body, with a token Welsh and French side in it. That's why people see it as the top of the English system. If it wants to be seen as a truly European competition, it needs to be run by an independent body, not the English body.


Under the licensing system, you could have the champions be demoted.

Under the system I proposed, all teams are playing to win the European competition. But the worst English club in the SL will be replaced by the best English club below the SL. I'm sure fans P&R would accept that as best of both worlds.

If SL ever grew big enough to have conferences, it would be a lot more workable.

so grass roots RL in london has had nothing what so ever to do with ful,bronc,quinns its all down to sport england.thats minus points for them then isnt it.

Richard Lewis did a great job with LTA didn't he? Just ask the guy in charge now, i did, and he will tell you all about the job he did

Richard Lewis's BIGGEST problem was (and still is) RL club chairpeople and Soooooperdooooooper league ones in particular!!

I'm still surprised that he has any involvement in the game at all.

Blackpool could be very good news for RL as the extention of the ground would for me put it up as a potential smaller test venue.

P&R is a difficult one. I like the idea of P and R but the gulf is too large up and down.

For me the current system is working BUT what is the expansion plan going forward?

I don't see how under the current rules super league can get currently get much bigger using the same format and in terms of revenue sustainability, player quality & burnout.

15 teams is probably the absolute maximum if they binned magic weekend.

Widnes deserve the next license BUT unfortunately that doesn't expand the game.

I would like the RFL & SL to state the maximum amount of licenses available for the next two dates 2015 and 2018 next year so that clubs and potential clubs can establish their plans for and SL push and also show how structurally this would work.

So the gap is too large , so what is the answer ?

The current system is working , for who ?

Your post mentions SL quite a lot , what do you suggest should happen for the Championships ?

i was wondering where paristout had gone too.

So one is predominantly English clubs with 1 French club and 1 Welsh club and is therefore European.

The other is predominantly English clubs with 1 French club and 1 Welsh club and is therefore English.

Interesting logic there.

what does paristout mean?

But you also said that the SL should function as the top tier of the english RL with the European element and end of season comp (one of the ideas you floated). If we do that and cant bring other leagues up to SL level then it is pointless
except it isnt. It is a European league, outside the English pyramid.
you mean like a company called Super League (europe) ltd? a company owned wholly by the European Clubs within it outside the RFLs structure? If you are comfortably with this company then devolving some powers back to, the RFL for simplicity and to take advantage of their expertise then thats exactly what we have now.

you could indeed. And if that was the correct decision we would be in a position to make it. If it wasnt we can choose not to. Unlike P+R where we could be forced to do something we know isnt in the best interest of either the club or the league simply down to form and injuries

What about Quins? what about other expansion sides in England? would they also be relegated? so you would be happy with a club finishing closer to the play-offs than the bottom being relegated because of where they are?

? You think it would be MORE workable where we different leagues? which conference would the relegated club be from and why? would it be fair with what would be a massively uneven fixture list?

yes, indeed all the development work done in London and the southeast over the last 25 years is down to money given to the RFL just a few months ago.

Its very simple.

Finish bottom of SL.

Get relegated to the Championship.


Win the Championship grand final.

Get promoted to SL.


So very simple.

Im not surprised, If i'd done the poor Job Roger Draper is doing id probably blame someone else too.

Not sure I would blame someone who left 6 years before i joined though, and ten years after the fact. Something about it wouldnt strike true.

It would be if that was the logic that was used.

1 is a european league

1 is an English league,

nobody is pretending anything else. They tell us this quite often. it shouldnt be a suprise

If only Barry...

Only the RFL, and the greedy SL Chairman, can take the simple scenario above and turn it into the clear-as-mud dash for a golden ticket that we have now.

Shame.

I'm not a big soccer fan but I enjoy watching clubs playing their ar5es off on the last day of the season to avoid relegation.

I watched Crystal Palace v Sheffield ... exciting stuff. Sheffield had to win to stay up but could only draw.


I'd love to see a club like Harlequins or Celtic having to win on the last day of the season to avoid the drop. Not because its them... any club will do.

Bring back promotion and relegation Barry McKenzie says

Pathetic , just admit it , you just showed your arris

so RL has never been given money by sport england before the last handout has it not?

But how is Super League any more of a European league than the Championship? There are an identical number of non-English teams, and if anything the distance away from the heartlands is even further in the Championship than it is the 'expansion league'.

cheers pal

Crikey! You should work for the Conservatives or the England Cricket Team. You could put a spin on anything!

Which is the posh word for Bull sh it

Its a small unripened pea pod often served in salads.

Tasty too.