F()ck me...I'm going to need a bigger keep net (look at page 1 dick'ed)

Yes you dikhead, you were the one who mentioned Union first



Troll.

I used it as a comparison. I's what grown ups do when discussing how best to expand your business...they draw on the experiences of other sports and look for the best possible target audience based on audience demographic, income, age group, gender etc......
What you, EA, Gijou et al try to do is look clever by jumping all over a reasoned post because it dared to mention Union...


Now, since this post, I have researched (and met with ) NZRL and although I accept it was a little early for me to be binning RL in the south island, I still don't see the need for what followed. I am as responsible as you 3 stooges for letting this thread become a playground, but at every attempt to get it back on topic, one of you three have popped up to try to look big and clever. You are neither.....and as for the guy with 3 degrees, who left school at 24 and who has travelled extensively...I would suggest that you stop putting him on a pedestal as he will eventually get hurt being knocked off it on a regular basis.
Anyway...back on thread.
Wellington aside, the owners of the caketin have shown how to build and manage a profitable stadium...I am sure a RL franchise would do well here.

Union has fookall to do with what RL does.

As I said, you're the troll that bought it up.

I can do this all night.....
Union has EVERYTHING to do with what league does. I fully accept that in AUSTRALIA League rules, as it does in PNG, (not P&G which is a large GLOBAL company by the way), but everwhere else, Union has managed to come out on top. I know it's hard for you to accept, but the bottom line is, regardless of what you think of the viewing figures that are reported for the RWC......you can't deny that more people tune in. If you do try to deny it, stop posting the very same sources of viewing figures for league audiences that you try to belittle when they report Union.
Moreover, the IRB have managed to turn a minotiy sport into a massive media opportunity for the likes of P&G (not PNG...that's a country by the way).
So, Rugby League CAN learn from Union. I am not condoning all that has gone on in the past, but if you want to look at a sport that has shown how to create a GLOBAL media opportunity (generates revenue....therefore development and growth) then you'd be hard pressed to see a bigger success story outside of soccer in the last 30 years.
If League wants to grow, the they need to create an event that will interest the likes of P&G (They spend over £1 billion a year on marketing and promotion a year by the way...that's the company, not the country) and the way Union have gone about their business could give a few ideas to league.
Anyway.......Wellingtonians have shown they are keen for a game with action and atmosphere...look at the RECORD gates for the wendyballers earlier this year. I believe a Franchise would do well, but they would need to find a benefactor to get it off the ground.

im sorry but the more you dig that hole the deeper you get

just listen to the league fans mate.

Union has nothing to do with RL you idiot, RL can play wtf it likes.

I read your 1st line and that's as far as I got as you are pathetic.

Yep, I can make you look like a fool all night.

This guys a deadset idiot, he has no frigging idea.

Imagine that, if RL wants to play somewhere, it has to look to Union.

I've never read so much patronising shiite in my life.

He's the type of bloke you'd give a swift smack in the head to if he came up to you talking this shiite.

A true Vichyballer, aka, control freak.

Wrong. And yet again, your opinion is all you have to back you up.

FACT 1. League is bigger than Union in Australia and PNG. (tired of referring to Gidiots error earlier)
FACT 2. Union is bigger pretty much everywhere else.
FACT 3. The same sources that you like to quote for viewing figures for League are the same ones that give the quotes for the RWC.
FACT 4. Rugby League needs to create an event that can attract the money from sponsors and advertisers that will help it grow at the same rate that Union has over the last 23 years. By Grow, I don't mean players or attendances, but as a viable Media opportunity. If you doubt this as a fact, keep on in9 over SOO viewing figures which generate revenue for Murdoch but not the sport.
FACT 5. I started this thread to discuss the opportunity of a second RL franchise for the NRL in NZ.
FACT 6. Most of the posts from EA, eelsfan and Gijou have been followed by gratuitous use of the

and the

in the inane belief that they look big and clever.......
FACT 7. I have proved both eelsfan and Gijou WRONG, the second culprit twice.
FACT 8. It is the opinion of the above and yourself to be honest Dally, that Union TV figures are made up. Be careful. The AUP is designed to protect these boards from legal action and to constantly say that figures that are published globally (that's outside Australia as well as NSW) is potentially worrying. I have sold to clients over the years quoting viewing figures....and P&G (too easy) would be very keen to know from the three stooges and yourself exactly where they have been wasting the advertising budget.

Get over it. UNION shat all over League for years, but League is still there. Celebrate that fact without displaying your obvious envy at the global reach that they have achieved in 23 years of preofessionalism ..(sorry...the last but was a bit of a wind up).
Get over it!
Anyway..........caketin has seen a massive positive response from the rsidents of Wellington......and is now considered an asset to the city. Let's get an NRL team in now...nothing like striking whilst the irons hot.

Oh eelsfan. Any time you feel like acting like a MAN........saying what you'd do to me if you met me whilst sitting behind a computer isn't the best way. I Own you and the Gidiot......and don't feel the need to describe physical violence to make myself feel better. Calm down son..........you'll make yourself ill.

patronising git, go stuff yourself.

RL doesn't need your or Unions approval to play anywhere and never have.

This is not Vichy France, it's a democracy.

Just quoting this so you don't go editing it as I think this shows what the majority of Union fans and you esp think.



Feel free to continue to post, it makes for interesting reading from the rah rah mindset.

And Gutterfax, I, being a red blooded Aussie would no have a problem telling it to your face.

You're a PW clone.

Ooga booga

quite possibly


...oh dear, am I getting to you. Where's gidiot when you need him



...please tell me where I suggested that. You really are out of your depth here.....but keep thrashing about, you might attract a lifeguard. What I said was League could cherrypick a few ideas that Union have managed to make money from......pay attention

...not much gets past you does it.

Dally...........if you want to stand toe to toe with me on the BUSINESS side of League, feel free, but don't ever fall into the category of these idiots. I don't troll and I started this thread with a genuine question. I could easily have used BASKETBALL viewing figures as a comparison, but because I used kick and clap, you seem to have jumped on there tricycle.....don't, it does you no favours. If you want to know why these boards are so thinly populated compared the the VT.....I suggest you look at the hijack tactics these numpties use. They call someone a troll, then all three of them laugh amongst themselves. I am willing to play, because they are too easy to catch ad I have the time, but the REAL RL fans are staying away because of it.

I have no idea what PW clone is.



Is it something from Star Trek, Star Wars or Stargate? I know you keyboard warriors have your box sets handy for when your broadband goes down or you run out of tissues, but please, if you are going to talk to adults, explain your teen-slang

No, I just don't like people who think they can control what others do, hence you're a patronising git.



Where you said this:






Not much at all.




RL doesn't need to learn anything from Union as it has the biggest Rugby comp on Earth.

Deal with that.

When the League gets the IC up and running, all the other things that are missing in the game like international expansion will come, until then, RL is doing as well as it is, and in this case, the #1 Rugby comp on Earth.

More people watch RL each week at the games and on TV than the combined countries of NZ, Australia and South Africa, those are facts, not BS you go on with.

you can tell league is going well with the number of union trolls on our sites

as ive said before, anytime theres a fair competition between league and union, we win.

union needs to lie and cheat to survive

Exactly right, what RL's got, it's had to fight damn hard to get.

and in france when we beat them fair and square they cheat.

in 6 years we went from nothing to eclipsing union.

the biggest union clubs were going broke

so they ran to the nazis to help them.

thats union for you!

...I have made a living out of parting companies from their marketing budget....so yes, I am patronising and arrogant, but I tell you what, I am successful too




Yeah...the NRL is massive....so massive that ESPN and SKY were tripping over themselves to buy the TV rights. Get a grip....your little rock is not the WORLD.......and for the record, the RWC is officially the largest rugby comp in the world as far as TV/MEDIA and ADVERTISERS are concerned.

...as long as you keep saying it, it might be more believable to you, but to the people that count, it isn't.


Do you mean combined population of those countries? Do you mean that as a weekly event, RL gets more viewers than Union? Not sure what you're trying to say (facts with links would be good.....but the links you send will also show that.......) the RWC is the 3rd largest comp on the planet after FIFA WC and Olympic games.......and League has to be aware of how the lying, vichy french supporting old farts have achieved that.........that's if they want the same level of revenue from their world cup.
Last years 4 nations naming rights were sold to Gillette for a fraction of what was asked.....and that is a FACT (I have the contract in my C:drive

), whilst the RWC will generate more money in 6 weeks than the NRL will in 6 seasons......go figure.
Dally....there's an old Irish saying. "If you lay down with dogs, you will get up with fleas........"
Do yourself a favour, your backing the wrong side here. This is not a discussion about what Union did to league, it's about taking the Greatest game forward and what lessons can be learnt from other sports....of which Union is one.

Nothings changed.

According to gutterguts, RL needs Unions permission still

or USAP denying les cats use of a council owned ground.

or the WRU setting up union sides anywhere we set up a RL side




dead set they are scared to compete

cowards

another idiot union troll who just cant admit which sport he follows!

Over 60 years ago...and that's where League (I hope it's only fans) get it WRONG. Get with it.......this is the 21st century and there are hundreds of groups, people, activities and past times trying to attract "disposable income". As long as you hark back to the good old days, your audience will get older and die.
RWC didn't exist in 1986.........now it is #3 in the world....you snooze...you lose. Adapt and survive......fail to prepare, prepare to fail....there are loads more I could roll out but I honestly think that you really are just bitter and the whole debate is passing you by.

I'm impressed, no, really





lol.

A comp held every four years huh?

In that time, the NRL will have had close to 15 million paying spectators, countless hundreds of millions of people watch the games and sold over half a Billion $$$$ worth of merchandise, then there are the sponsors and the fact over the next TV rights deal which could be as much as 1-1.2 Billion $$$$ over 5/6 years, you could say the TV rights for that 4 year period could well be 700/800 Million $$$$$$.

But that's chicken feed compared to the Union WC according to you, RL wouldn't come close





Yeah, the Union WC is the bees knees mate, 33 million watched the final, whoopty doo mate.



The NRL gets more people to the games and watching on TV than the combined union of Sanzar, can't you read?



I can get you links for the S14 TV ratings from last year or the year before which shows it gets less than the NRL each and every week by half



I can also use your wiki figures to prove the NRL shiits on the S14 over a full home and away season by a lazy million/million and a half.




Union will never get away with those things ever again, it's a very different age.




I couldn't careless what they were sold for as long as I got to watch the games, as I did.




Your lot would know about that hey Vichyballer.





Nothing to learn from union bar licking the arrses of the so called upper classes, lieing, cheating, getting into bed with Nazis and believing any old shiit the media and the Union leading fundamentalist spout.

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You sir/madam have no idea what modern sport needs to do to survive and I have no doubt that you believe 100% that god will throw down fire and brimstone on the b@st@rds at IRB headquaters......but alas, it won't be god and fire and brimstone, it will be large GLOBAL MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS throwing their advertising/sponsorship budgets instead......still, you know best

and the 4 nations this year will eclipse the 2011 RWC viewing figures, revenues and knock-on residuals easily