There isn't a distinction between nationality and race when it comes to racist abuse. You can't abuse Pakistanis and then claim "It's a nationality not a race" and likewise with Aussies.

Shouldn't it be re-classified as 'jingoism'?

Erm, yes you can. IIRC there was a case a couple of years back where a welshman objected to being called something unpleasant and it failed.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure that you can call someone a 'pakistani', or even the abbreviation (as far as I recall) but its when you call them a f***ing one that your problems will start.

'Pakistani' is no more racist than 'Frenchman'.Simple as that.

Is anyone?

One or two

Scooternick, a good point. At Crusaders, most visiting fans call us sheepshaggers as if that's a bad thing. It is only abuse if the recipient is offended. Certain people are easily offended (usually religious folks of one sort or another) and the PC squad jump into action to avenge their contrived upset. When stereotypical insults are used, it usually only goes to show a lack of imagination by the knuckle dragger using it. For instance on the terraces the red-faced angry folks building up for a tirade against the Crusaders will almost always only use sheepshaggers as an insult or a variation thereof utilising an additional curseword (F***ing sheepshaggers)

stop wasting you precious seconds everyone. the guy is from a small suburb of Sydney. His team is one of the worse supported and most hated in the comp, they have no fans, a run down ground, financially are deep in debt and are limping along near the foot of the table. As if all that isn't bad enough their players are scum, their CEO was as dodgy as a street salesman and they are coached by Ricky Stuart! He can see the writing on the wall, and that writing is that there is no place in top grade RL for clubs like his. In years to come as the game grows small clubs like Cronulla will be forced to drop back to their natural level and play out their existence in the NSW cup in front of a couple of thousand die hards. Sad for some but that is progress for you!

Maybe it's time to ask the Sheep themselves what they think? Nobody has considered their feelings. They might be the recievers but they actually might like it.

Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Because even the biggest Rugby League clubs never sell out games week in week out. Super league doesnt have the equivalent of Manchester United. Rugby League clubs need bigger attendances. Cleary a Wigan v Hull match will have a bigger crowd than a Wigan v Celtic Crusaders one. Same as a Huddersfield v Leeds game will have a bigger crowd than a Huddersfield v Catalans one. Therefore the takings will be higher. I don't think the most dyed in the wool footy fan could really disagree with that one.'" Humouring the troll nature of the thread, Trinity have targeted the CC home match and tried to make it attractive to people who ordinarily wouldn't have turned up. www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/brit ... 05871.html The act may not appeal to the older generation of RL fans but I don’t doubt the youngsters will be especially excited about these guys turning up. Also the £10 entry fee is an £8 reduction on adult prices therefore it should entice stay away support who feel that £18 is too expensive.

Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Because even the biggest Rugby League clubs never sell out games week in week out. Super league doesnt have the equivalent of Manchester United. Rugby League clubs need bigger attendances. Cleary a Wigan v Hull match will have a bigger crowd than a Wigan v Celtic Crusaders one. Same as a Huddersfield v Leeds game will have a bigger crowd than a Huddersfield v Catalans one. Therefore the takings will be higher. I don't think the most dyed in the wool footy fan could really disagree with that one.'" Humouring the troll nature of the thread, Trinity have targeted the CC home match and tried to make it attractive to people who ordinarily wouldn't have turned up. www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/brit ... 05871.html The act may not appeal to the older generation of RL fans but I don’t doubt the youngsters will be especially excited about these guys turning up. Also the £10 entry fee is an £8 reduction on adult prices therefore it should entice stay away support who feel that £18 is too expensive.

Can Wakey afford to pay everyone who turns up a tenner?

Probably not as much as KD can

Yawn!!!

When will people stop whinging about a team NOT from the North of England being in Superleague?? Seriously?! It's getting pretty boring now.

Admittedly the competition would be no more competitive or worse off removing the "outside boys" from SL....but why shut up shop and retreat back into the 1980's shell??? Removing the teams that are in the "expansion" areas would remove vast amounts of interest in Rugby League. Just because these teams don't have weekly sell out crowds, it does not in any way shape or form mean that their inclusion isn't having a positive effect on playing numbers and casual fans.

Honestly, we need to take the blinkers off here! I'm not having a swipe at any particular person or club etc...but the more regions this great game reaches the better for everyone!! I'm sure it must be those (and I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush) at the clubs who "just missed out" on a SL licence that are creating this fuss?!!

Anyway, thats my two cents...adios

Boo to our hated derby rivals, chuck em out of SL I say!

Thats probably why he chose to leave them out of his little synopsis. Either that or he didn't have time as he had to go and feed his pigeons.

Your part about the empty Wigan block is absoloutly bob on the mark.
Im a scots man who lives in hull and have done so for a long time, I had never even heard of Rugby League until i was forced to Watch KR play Keighly at Keighly in the middle of winter 9 years ago.
I INSTANTLY fell in love with the game and have never looked back.
Since then i have introduced several friends whom are now season pass holders.
Spread the word i say although i agree that Widnes should have been in.

Believe me I've asked them and they've never said no (actually they've never said anything!!)

Thats excelent, maybe if we all did what you did and brought a few people to games then we would see the stands fill up.

It's a bit of a tired discussion.

I just lost the will to live

I think we deduced that Catalans can probably stay, however Celtic and Harlequins should be replaced with Widnes and another side TBC.


thanks for all your input, lets end the thread here.

Thanks to everyone who participated.


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Thank you for allowing us to post on your thread. Can you let us know the impact of your thread when you present it to the RFL? Cheers.

In Welsh or English ? , it might have been an ' immigrant '

Trust me, if I hadn't have been in Paris, it would have ended long before then.

tb's back and he's cleaning up already.

Excuses , excuses , excuses

I had wondered why it'd been so much fun round here of late...