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| Quote ="RDM"I'm beginning to think that the land "given" to the clubs by WMDC is a bit of a red herring. If the land is there to help both clubs secure funding for the new stadia, why did WMDC have to guarantee the loan that's been taken by Wakefield Community Trust to pay for the designs & planning application? Surely if the land was available as security this could - and should - have been used instead.
Clearly the banks (or at least the Co-op bank) must think that there'd be difficulty in realising their security over the land if the loan wasn't repaid or they wouldn't have asked for the guarantee from WMDC.'"
There is land upon which both clubs can use to support loans. This land is not 'given' to either club. There are also many strings attached which include the proposals being viable and the structure of the organisation using the land to secure funding.
If the Newmarket scheme fell through there would be no 'asset' to show for the funding, merely a bill for professional fees - hence the requirement for a guarantee.
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| Quote ="dally messenger":1ecwdnlvI wouldn't even bother getting drawn into the discussion.
Overall Wakefield are in a much better position than at any time over any of the other SuperLeague years.
They are working on improving the weaker areas too, especially the Stadium.
That's good enough for me.
I'm not worried that we are in any way the obvious choice to lose a franchise, though we need to keep the standards up as others look to improve as well..'" :1ecwdnlv
crowds fell 15% of :1ecwdnlvso for a team that came 4th.
What have Hull KR got to do with this????
The mere fact you dont even know what postion teams finished in really does make you look very foolish indeed.
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| loads of talk about teams losing their license on here. the chances are at least one team will have gone into admin before the next license issues.
we have seen HKR post very worrying figures
SHUDDS making big losses
WIGAN same story
SALFORD making big losses and still not competing
CRUSADERS god only knows what is going on there!
certain there are more, all the talk of widnes and halifax etc, now the reality that they have missed the gravy train and in fact a SL place could just be another nail in their coffins.
lets be honest both have been in succesful in SL in the past and failed to maintain it. neither looks out of place in the league they are in
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"
lets be honest both have been in succesful in SL in the past and failed to maintain it. =#0000FFneither looks out of place in the league they are in'"
And neither would look out of place replacing Wakey if it came to it. The only problem with Wakey, would be if your current stadium would meet the minium standards for the CC if there is any.
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| its a poor show when you are relying on men wearing suits to achieve promotion because the men wearing shorts cant manage it
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"its a poor show when you are relying on men wearing suits to achieve promotion because the men wearing shorts cant manage it
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There's not really a lot of choice in the matter. That’s the way it is. I’d prefer that it wasn’t.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"bit like your last franchise application document then eh mate?
crowds growing?
new stadium?
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How many times do you feel the need to be humiliated on these forums, you're being ripped apart son. You drongo.
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| Quote ="vastman"How many times do you feel the need to be humiliated on these forums, you're being ripped apart son. You drongo.'"
I think he enjoys being humiliated!!!!!!!!.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT":jalc1c3pcrowds fell 15% of :jalc1c3pso for a team that came 4th. :jalc1c3p
your crowds are pathetic.
there are any number of championship clubs who could beat your crowds with a stable stint in sL.
looking at all the time wakey have been in SL, the club has gotten nowhere'"
thats all you got.
wakey, good season on the park & crowds fell.
simple enough for you to comperhened
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| Quote ="vastman"How many times do you feel the need to be humiliated on these forums, you're being ripped apart son. You drongo.'"
pointing out where wakey fail is like shooting fish in a barrel
your club managed to avoid relegation under P&R via a number of last minute wins.
now you need another miracle to save you
after all the things that your club failed to deliver on, the RFL will be treating your franchise bid with extreme caution
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| Quote ="dally messenger"pointing out where wakey fail is like shooting fish in a barrel
your club managed to avoid relegation under P&R via a number of last minute wins.
now you need another miracle to save you
after all the things that your club failed to deliver on, the RFL will be treating your franchise bid with extreme caution'"
Of course.
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| So we dont have a true sport , we have a stadium lottery , buy your ticket and take your chance
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| If you score high enough in other areas you're fine.
Wakey I think should be okay, i'd score them a 5 even without the new ground.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So we dont have a true sport , we have a stadium lottery , buy your ticket and take your chance
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not really because if we did, leigh would be in SL
a new stadium is v.important but having fans in that stadium is just as important
then theres the ability of the club to spend full salary cap ie business plan. this means sponsorships, sugar daddies etc.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"not really because if we did, leigh would be in SL
a new stadium is v.important but having fans in that stadium is just as important
then theres the ability of the club to spend full salary cap ie business plan. this means sponsorships, sugar daddies etc.
pleased to help'" good buisness plans; all clubs have good buisness plans, come on pal the salary cap is there for one reason only and that is to stop clubs going into financial meltdown year on year on year.lets be honest here take out wigan leeds and hull and not one club matches your idea of a SL franchise
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| Quote ="j.c"good buisness plans; all clubs have good buisness plans, come on pal the salary cap is there for one reason only and that is to stop clubs going into financial meltdown year on year on year.lets be honest here take out wigan leeds and hull and not one club matches your idea of a SL franchise'"
not every club spends the full salary cap.
the RFL is looking for clubs that can go in SL and spend the full cap
the more clubs that do it, the more competitive SL is.
clubs like wakey that arent growing arent adding to SL
what needs to happen is for clubs to get into SL, and without fear of relegation go about building themselves up properly
if clubs cant grow and they are at a low level, theyve got to be kicked out
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| the business plan shows where a club will gets its income from.
what to look for :
1. sponsor - if they are signed up, this is guaranteed
2. estimated crowds in SL - are these realistic
3. presence of sugar daddy - can he support the club year in year out
4. other income sources
5. own ground, rent etc.
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| eg widnes -
1. id say estimated SL crowds of 6000 in year 1, growing to 8000 - 10,000 in year 3.
2. rich sugar daddy
3. what kind of rent do they pay at the halton stadium
over a 3 - 5 year period widnes in SL should be able to spend the full salary cap ie add to the competition.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"not every club spends the full salary cap.
the RFL is looking for clubs that can go in SL and spend the full cap
the more clubs that do it, the more competitive SL is.
clubs like wakey that arent growing arent adding to SL
what needs to happen is for clubs to get into SL, and without fear of relegation go about building themselves up properly
if clubs cant grow and they are at a low level, theyve got to be kicked out'"
Where is your evidence that Wakefield are not growing an the aspects required for franchise, both independently and by comparison to other clubs.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"eg widnes -
1. id say estimated SL crowds of 6000 in year 1, growing to 8000 - 10,000 in year 3.
2. rich sugar daddy
3. what kind of rent do they pay at the halton stadium
over a 3 - 5 year period widnes in SL should be able to spend the full salary cap ie add to the competition.'"
does your logic stack up to analysis... Widnes spent 3 or 4 years in superleague... did the crowds/ income/ etc grow in that time... as your argument predicts?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"the business plan shows where a club will gets its income from.
what to look for :
1. sponsor - if they are signed up, this is guaranteed
2. estimated crowds in SL - are these realistic
3. presence of sugar daddy - can he support the club year in year out
4. other income sources
5. own ground, rent etc.'"
with business accumen like that you must be a multi billionaire!!! $$$$
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| Quote ="underground"with business accumen like that you must be a multi billionaire!!! $$$$'"
all those years at uni studying finance and economics paid off
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| Quote ="underground"does your logic stack up to analysis... Widnes spent 3 or 4 years in superleague... did the crowds/ income/ etc grow in that time... as your argument predicts?'"
they now have a rich sugar daddy
they have stronger sponsorship
the abolition of relegation means clubs can build up slowly in SL rather than spending everything ensuring they dont get relegated in year 1.
was the halton stadium even fully finished whilst they were last in SL?
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