and you was doing so well.

If the stadium is built, i would like to think it has the same effect that the new stadium for Warrington did, i'm using them as an example because Cas and Warrington for many years were similar clubs in team ability and attendances, if anything Cas were always just that bit better, when Warrington got their new ground it took them to another level above Cas, and hopefully the same will happen for Cas in the near future.

Theres a big differance between attending the odd game at another club and becoming a regular supporter, that attends game week in week out and buy merchandise, you have to have a passion for the club to do that.

I've no idea where you come up with those number as it cant be from talking to fans, theres no way wakey fans would come over in such numbers, to even have a chance at getting half those numbers you would have to call the team wakefield and the amount of cas fans that would support a team called wakefield would be in the hundreds at best.

warrington got a new stadium + huge investment from Mr Moran. It was both that have fuelled their growth. Not one individually.

That isnt the case at all. Just being the best of however many teams doesnt mean you should be in the elite league, thats the reason we have an elite league.

If Cas's best aim is to simply offer a career to the local juniors and nobody below can offer more, we would be better cutting the size of SL.

And you dont need a sugar daddy to buy the best players or pay the full SC, both Leeds and Hull do it whilst making a profit. You could argue there are reasons Leeds and Hull can do this and Castleford cant, but they are simply reasons that SL may not be the right place for Cas.

The way to success is to develop local talent, but how many are you losing because you cant afford to keep them? If all the aim of Cas is to bring in local talent train them until 20/21/22 then let them go to the bigger clubs, they can do that in the championships.

If you are in SL, more is demanded of you.

Even if you get half those numbers, its a ridiculously huge amount better than getting none of them.

Cas would stand an even better chance of success if a club like Leeds didn't spend so much time in the area cherry picking some of the young talent with promises of the world,freebies for the kids and match tickets & tours of the stadium for the parents.

Doncaster have a new stadium!

Yes they do, and a very nice stadium it is too but they don't have bums on seats. At least Cas know if they build it the fans will come.

The fans are already there, Look at the NL1 Grand Final against Widnes. 10'000 Cas Fans.

Don't know why people are bothering biting to Smokey. He's had an agenda against Cas for the past five or six years and offers nothing. His arguments are boring, repetitive and even with facts in front of him, tries to go off onto a tangent in a bid to try and outwit his counterpart into folding.

It's best just to ignore his Leeds bias and get on with it. The best way for Cas or any other side to show otherwise is by doing. Then we can tell him where to stick his arguments.

Out-bore isn't exactly outwitting Fully

Just wanting to put my pennies in this machine and talk about why people of Hull would not want a merger between both Hull clubs...

I do think if HKR ceased to exist over time fans that have recently joined the band wagon would defect and join the Hull FC SL crusade. If Hull FC ceased to exist, there would be around 10% that are general Rugby League supporters that would frequent Craven Park. I would not pay to watch Hull FC, I'd watch SL on Sky and if I wanted any live rugby I'd go to see a local east of the city amateur team.

If both teams were to actually merge and become one team under a different guise, move in to a very central ground and play in totally different colours to what both teams play in now thus taking both teams out of the equasion and marketed correctly (possibly having no RL in the city for a whole year to let the dust settle) then I would imagine there could be around 15,000 willing supporters. But if that is the highest figure they might as well just save Hull FC and dispose of Hull KR and hope for an attendance rise at FC.

Mergers do not work for fans of clubs. I do not know how they work in the business side of a club but show me a successful two way merger that has worked without both original clubs opening up again a matter of months/years later??

We have seen the death of some once great clubs that are not even in the Championship leagues now, I'd be interested to hear what those fans do with their craving of RL? Did they go watch their nearest and most hated rivals? Did they support the amateur game more? Did they travel further so as to not feel dirty while at their rivals ground?

Hull will never have a merged club, at least not as long as I shall be on this earth and hopefully that will be for some time yet!

Smokey would you be of the thinking then that Leeds and Hunslet should merge? Hunslet have nothing to offer Leeds like Wakefield have nothing to offer Castleford so it is a similar case in question?

I think I mentioned in 2006 or 2007 the possibility of the 2 clubs, Castleford and Wakefield Ground sharing.......I wasn't the first to mention it and all we got was a response that it would never work.....though no real reason as to why.
As it is, the arrogant stance of the Wakefield Board on this matter has now led to a stadium that is still not assured of ever being built, administration and what appears to be asset stripping on a grand scale.....I feel for the fans of Wakefield, but I ask this...

instead of trying to build 2 stadiums within 10 miles of each other that would have a chance of being 60% full for 12 games each a season and full once....what would have happened if the 2 clubs had got together in 2006 and built one stadium that would be 60% full 24 times a season and 100% full twice (at least).
Not a merger....both clubs seperate, but 1 stadium?

I would suggest that the stadium would now be built and Salford and Quins would be the clubs facing the fate now faced by Wakefield........and all of this because of the pride/arrogance of a few so called "decision makers"

All down to location , your either in one or the other , not a problem for Quins , they've played at that many different locations already

There is no answer , that's just how it is , Cas will now get the chance to become the premier club in the district , Wakey will drop into the doldrums with the rest of us and enjoy big matches with 2,500 crowds watching

It's The Sun so goodness knows how reliable it is... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ndant.html

It's The Sun so goodness knows how reliable it is... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ndant.html

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HTH

Quote ="StuMain"It's The Sun so goodness knows how reliable it is... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ndant.html'" It isn't. Wakefield have a press conference this afternoon and their match at Catalans is not in doubt. They are expecting to announce some signings soon too All according to Martyn Sadler, who I trust more than the Sun.

Quote ="StuMain"It's The Sun so goodness knows how reliable it is... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ndant.html'" It isn't. Wakefield have a press conference this afternoon and their match at Catalans is not in doubt. They are expecting to announce some signings soon too All according to Martyn Sadler, who I trust more than the Sun.

Indeed Wadski, for those not on Twitter. twitter.com/MartynSadler

Indeed Wadski, for those not on Twitter. twitter.com/MartynSadler

Nathan Brown has said Giants could send some players Wakefields way. www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -28184734/

Nathan Brown has said Giants could send some players Wakefields way. www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -28184734/

If the issue of location wasnt such a major deal breaker we would long since have had a Cumbrian SL club.

Quote ="Wadski"Nathan Brown has said Giants could send some players Wakefields way. www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -28184734/'" Its just an evil ploy to poach more players.

Quote ="Wadski"Nathan Brown has said Giants could send some players Wakefields way. www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -28184734/'" Its just an evil ploy to poach more players.

No, it’s an act of benevolence by the Shudds philanthropists.

Quote ="Wadski"Nathan Brown has said Giants could send some players Wakefields way. www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -28184734/'" I'd suggest a lot of clubs will be looking to try this for some extra experience for their promising youngsters.

Quote ="Wadski"Nathan Brown has said Giants could send some players Wakefields way. www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -28184734/'" I'd suggest a lot of clubs will be looking to try this for some extra experience for their promising youngsters.

The BBC website's now running the redundancy story, apparently it doesn't affect the playing side.