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| Quote ="Derwent"...and quite possibly the issue of which business received the recent £300k Sky payment and which business banked the matchday takings from the home game versus Cas ? Was it OKB (via the administrator) or was it BB2014 (who had temporarily assumed ownership) ?'"
I thought they were on half sky money (which I personally don't think gets mentioned enough! ) so did they get the full 300k or did they get 150k?
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Some more mysteries solved -
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"It's the same situation we were in two weeks ago," he said. "The contracts are transferred to the administrator.
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Some more mysteries solved -
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"It's the same situation we were in two weeks ago," he said. "The contracts are transferred to the administrator.
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I would, however, like some proof of what cummins said ...
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| Quote ="j.c"Why has the club gone back to OK Bulls,why cant it just be in the hands of the administrator?'" OKBulls is what is in the hands of the administrator that has the licence, the ground, the debts, the lease, and I assume the players registrations.
The staff unfortunately were according to RHP (The CEO) TUPE'd across to BB2014. BB2014 now has no RL club for them to play for.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"OKBulls is what is in the hands of the administrator that has the licence, the ground, the debts, the lease, and I assume the players registrations.
The staff unfortunately were according to RHP (The CEO) TUPE'd across to BB2014. BB2014 now has no RL club for them to play for.'"
So players will be tupe'd back again. They will be free to leave once again.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"So players will be tupe'd back again. They will be free to leave once again.'" You cannot TUPE INTO a company in administration.
OKBulls are in administration.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"You cannot TUPE INTO a company in administration.
OKBulls are in administration.'"
Surely any deal will have a cooling off clause, assuming this has been invoked in time, the players would automatically return to being employees of okbulls, and this run by the administrators again? This is the only way around the TUPE problem I can think of, and RHP says the players contracts are with the administrators ...
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Surely any deal will have a cooling off clause, assuming this has been invoked in time, the players would automatically return to being employees of okbulls, and this run by the administrators again? This is the only way around the TUPE problem I can think of, and RHP says the players contracts are with the administrators ...'" I hope he is right as it at least makes the situation slightly less messy.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"I hope he is right as it at least makes the situation slightly less messy.'"
Hopefully, that is unless the players give up and walk away (I'm not sure what the legal position of that is ... ) - either way IF that is the case, then we are where we were, and a buyer for okbulls is needed and nothing more ...
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Hopefully, that is unless the players give up and walk away (I'm not sure what the legal position of that is ... ) - either way IF that is the case, then we are where we were, and a buyer for okbulls is needed and nothing more ...'" I was thinking more about the game on Sunday.
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| If the administrator was never paid, then was the club ever bought?
You can agree to set up a new business, you can agree to buy another business, but surely until exchange of contracts nothing legally ever changes hands?
I agree it's a bit messy, but if I offer to buy your business out of admin, but then never pay for it, then I have never bought it.
Seems quite a simple notion really.
Interesting that Bradford City are also interested. If they bought the club would that qualify as a return to the original Bradford? I recall the original Bradford turned to football I just can't recall if they became Bradford City. Now that would be going full circle.
It would also solve issues like the ground etc. Of course had the RFL shot the Bulls down before the season opened, which is Smokey's prefered option, no one would be able to offer to buy the Bulls.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"If the administrator was never paid, then was the club ever bought?
You can agree to set up a new business, you can agree to buy another business, but surely until exchange of contracts nothing legally ever changes hands?
I agree it's a bit messy, but if I offer to buy your business out of admin, but then never pay for it, then I have never bought it.
Seems quite a simple notion really.
Interesting that Bradford City are also interested. If they bought the club would that qualify as a return to the original Bradford? I recall the original Bradford turned to football I just can't recall if they became Bradford City. Now that would be going full circle.
It would also solve issues like the ground etc. Of course had the RFL shot the Bulls down before the season opened, which is Smokey's prefered option, no one would be able to offer to buy the Bulls.'"
Owing to how mark Moore proposed to buy the club, the transfer of assets occurred before the deal was finalised.
It caused a bit of a mess when they pulled out.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"If the administrator was never paid, then was the club ever bought?
You can agree to set up a new business, you can agree to buy another business, but surely until exchange of contracts nothing legally ever changes hands?
I agree it's a bit messy, but if I offer to buy your business out of admin, but then never pay for it, then I have never bought it.
Seems quite a simple notion really.
Interesting that Bradford City are also interested. If they bought the club would that qualify as a return to the original Bradford? I recall the original Bradford turned to football I just can't recall if they became Bradford City. Now that would be going full circle.
It would also solve issues like the ground etc. Of course had the RFL shot the Bulls down before the season opened, which is Smokey's prefered option, no one would be able to offer to buy the Bulls.'"
The administrator always gets paid and they would be happy to sell the family silver to facilitate this.
On the subject of Bradford City getting involved.
The Bulls fans seemed very much against this last time as it was also muted that the 2 sports would ground share at Valley Parade.
Having said that, the position appears more serious now and maybe this could be a good solution ?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Am I the only one wondering how players contacted to BB2014 can play for OKBulls on the weekend?'"
I can see the the Bulls being docked 6 points and been fined for playing ineligible players
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The administrator always gets paid and they would be happy to sell the family silver to facilitate this.
On the subject of Bradford City getting involved.
The Bulls fans seemed very much against this last time as it was also muted that the 2 sports would ground share at Valley Parade.
Having said that, the position appears more serious now and maybe this could be a good solution ?'"
It would leave the RFL with some real estate!
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| Quote ="poplar panther"It would leave the RFL with some real estate!'"
Considering that certain factions of the Bradford Bills (not a typo) massive lay 100% of the blame for the current situation at the club at the door of the RFL, I suspect that this would be seen as "showing those b'stards at Red Hall", when in reality, another top flight club moving into a soccer stadium that'll never get full is hardly a 'solution"
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| The RFL buying the lease on Odsal would leave them with an issue, but not an insurmountable one. I'm sure there was a proposal not too long back to get the track back up and running.
Sure it's a different sport but if it pays the rent or buys the lease then so be it.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Interesting that Bradford City are also interested. If they bought the club would that qualify as a return to the original Bradford? I recall the original Bradford turned to football I just can't recall if they became Bradford City. Now that would be going full circle.'"
Nope, that was Manningham - champions of 1895/96. The great betrayal (which we somehow managed to celebrate as a centenary) split Bradford into Bradford Northern and Bradford Park Avenue.
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| ...though of course it all actually began in 1996.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"It caused a bit of a mess when they pulled out.'"
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You could have used a better turn of phrase. We know the Bradford Bill may well be f(((ked but really....eugh
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| So, only if Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd take control, is the 6point penalty confirmed? If someone else takes over then the circumstances for sanctions will be re-assessed? Thats how it's reading to me, from all the various statements that have been made.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Surely any deal will have a cooling off clause, assuming this has been invoked in time, the players would automatically return to being employees of okbulls, and this run by the administrators again? This is the only way around the TUPE problem I can think of, and RHP says the players contracts are with the administrators ...'"
Not only that, but some of the Contracts have been improved (Sidlow & Gale). Now if I was a creditor and expecting to get very little back I would be more than a little upset by that. Think through the implications and complications of that, are or should Mark Moore and his board be personally liable for the increased liability on those two contracts?
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Roll Up Roll Up - Half Time Tag Team will be in the Blue Corner Mark 'Mr Slippery' Moore & Andrew 'Mr Adroit' Calvert & in the Brown Corner Omar 'Mr Foolhardy' Khan & 'The Invisible Man' (Gerry Sutcliffe).
This bout to be refereed by Nigel 'Three Seats' Wood with respective seconds of Ralph 'Raging Bull' Rimmer & Blake 'Mr Pragmatic' Solly.
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| So if the bulls came out of administration with Moore & co and have now gone back into administration,is there another points deduction on the cards?
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"
It would also solve issues like the ground etc. Of course had the RFL shot the Bulls down before the season opened, which is Smokey's prefered option, no one would be able to offer to buy the Bulls.'"
We would be in exactly the same position, only earlier without the threat of ruining an entire season.
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| Quote ="j.c"So if the bulls came out of administration with Moore & co and have now gone back into administration,is there another points deduction on the cards?'"
No as far as I am aware as the RFL have not ratified the ownership which I was corrected on earlier.
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