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It’s far too early to be deciding if anyone needs to make way or not and far too many games to play yet. Let’s see how they get on over the season first. The club will make the right decisions I’m sure.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Oli Russel reminds me of when Powell signed Gale at Cas and we all know now that went, similar age, similar pedigree, both not setting the world alight but you can just tell there is a lot of potential in there in the way he plays. Powell picks his pivot players very well and I've got every confidence in him going after the right player.'"
As he's not getting game time at Huddersfield, could we possibly see him in a Trinity shirt before 2025 |
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Seven or eight offers! Think we can safely assume they'll be British or French (with our eight overseas players to fit into seven quota spots). We can also assume Johnstone, McMeeken and Russell are three of the eight offers. Ellis says the others are all out-of-contract at the end of the year, and they're established SL players. So that leaves us with something like:
Full backs
Gareth O'Brien (could offer good cover for Max, but doubt he'd want that)
Ryan Hampshire (I know he has a lot of fans on here, but wouldn't want him back. Can't square up the line, can't defend)
Wingers
Fouad Yaha (only 27, useful in back field, spent time in Hull so would love Wakefield)
Luis Roberts (Not proven as such)
Josh Charnley (Tough one. Obviously in the form of his life but he'll be 33)
Matty Russell (similar to above, think we can do better)
Centres
Mathieu Laguerre (can't see this but would take him)
Cameron Scott (rumoured - would be a good signing. Good athlete, plenty of improvement in him)
Zak Hardaker (please no)
Ben Hellewell (would prefer to see Joe Law et al)
Ben Davies (good player, not playing anywhere near enough at Saints so might look elsewhere)
Stefan Ratchford (can;t see it)
Halves
Danny Richardson
Jordan Abdull (not actually sure on this one, could just be that he's at the end of his loan. What a signing that would be.)
Marc Sneyd
Lewis Dodd (sure he'll re-sign at Saints)
Jon Bennison (same)
Hookers
Adam Milner
Amir Borouh
Back rowers
Alex Mellor (not a bad replacement for Ashurst. Good player, often injured)
Sam Hewitt
James Donaldson
Jack Hughes
Oliver Holmes
Middles
Matty Storton (rumoured)
Joe Cator (would definitely take him if fit)
Jack Brown
Yusuf Aydin (why not)
Matt Davis
Ollie Partington (Again, would take him)
Adam Sidlow
Andrew Dixon
Gil Dudson
Mike Cooper
And about 15 London players, though with respect I don't think we'll go there
So if those offers are McMeeken, Johnstone, Russell, Storton, Scott, who are the other two or three? Exciting times indeed.
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Seven or eight offers! Think we can safely assume they'll be British or French (with our eight overseas players to fit into seven quota spots). We can also assume Johnstone, McMeeken and Russell are three of the eight offers. Ellis says the others are all out-of-contract at the end of the year, and they're established SL players. So that leaves us with something like:
Full backs
Gareth O'Brien (could offer good cover for Max, but doubt he'd want that)
Ryan Hampshire (I know he has a lot of fans on here, but wouldn't want him back. Can't square up the line, can't defend)
Wingers
Fouad Yaha (only 27, useful in back field, spent time in Hull so would love Wakefield)
Luis Roberts (Not proven as such)
Josh Charnley (Tough one. Obviously in the form of his life but he'll be 33)
Matty Russell (similar to above, think we can do better)
Centres
Mathieu Laguerre (can't see this but would take him)
Cameron Scott (rumoured - would be a good signing. Good athlete, plenty of improvement in him)
Zak Hardaker (please no)
Ben Hellewell (would prefer to see Joe Law et al)
Ben Davies (good player, not playing anywhere near enough at Saints so might look elsewhere)
Stefan Ratchford (can;t see it)
Halves
Danny Richardson
Jordan Abdull (not actually sure on this one, could just be that he's at the end of his loan. What a signing that would be.)
Marc Sneyd
Lewis Dodd (sure he'll re-sign at Saints)
Jon Bennison (same)
Hookers
Adam Milner
Amir Borouh
Back rowers
Alex Mellor (not a bad replacement for Ashurst. Good player, often injured)
Sam Hewitt
James Donaldson
Jack Hughes
Oliver Holmes
Middles
Matty Storton (rumoured)
Joe Cator (would definitely take him if fit)
Jack Brown
Yusuf Aydin (why not)
Matt Davis
Ollie Partington (Again, would take him)
Adam Sidlow
Andrew Dixon
Gil Dudson
Mike Cooper
And about 15 London players, though with respect I don't think we'll go there
So if those offers are McMeeken, Johnstone, Russell, Storton, Scott, who are the other two or three? Exciting times indeed.
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Seven or eight offers! Think we can safely assume they'll be British or French (with our eight overseas players to fit into seven quota spots). We can also assume Johnstone, McMeeken and Russell are three of the eight offers. Ellis says the others are all out-of-contract at the end of the year, and they're established SL players. So that leaves us with something like:
Full backs
Gareth O'Brien (could offer good cover for Max, but doubt he'd want that)
Ryan Hampshire (I know he has a lot of fans on here, but wouldn't want him back. Can't square up the line, can't defend)
Wingers
Fouad Yaha (only 27, useful in back field, spent time in Hull so would love Wakefield)
Luis Roberts (Not proven as such)
Josh Charnley (Tough one. Obviously in the form of his life but he'll be 33)
Matty Russell (similar to above, think we can do better)
Centres
Mathieu Laguerre (can't see this but would take him)
Cameron Scott (rumoured - would be a good signing. Good athlete, plenty of improvement in him)
Zak Hardaker (please no)
Ben Hellewell (would prefer to see Joe Law et al)
Ben Davies (good player, not playing anywhere near enough at Saints so might look elsewhere)
Stefan Ratchford (can;t see it)
Halves
Danny Richardson
Jordan Abdull (not actually sure on this one, could just be that he's at the end of his loan. What a signing that would be.)
Marc Sneyd
Lewis Dodd (sure he'll re-sign at Saints)
Jon Bennison (same)
Hookers
Adam Milner
Amir Borouh
Back rowers
Alex Mellor (not a bad replacement for Ashurst. Good player, often injured)
Sam Hewitt
James Donaldson
Jack Hughes
Oliver Holmes
Middles
Matty Storton (rumoured)
Joe Cator (would definitely take him if fit)
Jack Brown
Yusuf Aydin (why not)
Matt Davis
Ollie Partington (Again, would take him)
Adam Sidlow
Andrew Dixon
Gil Dudson
Mike Cooper
And about 15 London players, though with respect I don't think we'll go there
So if those offers are McMeeken, Johnstone, Russell, Storton, Scott, who are the other two or three? Exciting times indeed.'"
Davies, Laguerre and Hewitt are probably 3 I’d be most interested in. Hewitt I think has a lot of potential and is very much in the Ashurst mould.
I think we need 2nd row forwards the most and some backline utility cover.
I would take Hampshire though he’s been playing mainly halfback for two years at Wigan now and seems to have made a fairly good transition. He would be a good option to replace Kay but offer cover at fb, halfback and wing. |
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Seven or eight offers! Think we can safely assume they'll be British or French (with our eight overseas players to fit into seven quota spots). We can also assume Johnstone, McMeeken and Russell are three of the eight offers. Ellis says the others are all out-of-contract at the end of the year, and they're established SL players. So that leaves us with something like:
Full backs
Gareth O'Brien (could offer good cover for Max, but doubt he'd want that)
Ryan Hampshire (I know he has a lot of fans on here, but wouldn't want him back. Can't square up the line, can't defend)
Wingers
Fouad Yaha (only 27, useful in back field, spent time in Hull so would love Wakefield)
Luis Roberts (Not proven as such)
Josh Charnley (Tough one. Obviously in the form of his life but he'll be 33)
Matty Russell (similar to above, think we can do better)
Centres
Mathieu Laguerre (can't see this but would take him)
Cameron Scott (rumoured - would be a good signing. Good athlete, plenty of improvement in him)
Zak Hardaker (please no)
Ben Hellewell (would prefer to see Joe Law et al)
Ben Davies (good player, not playing anywhere near enough at Saints so might look elsewhere)
Stefan Ratchford (can;t see it)
Halves
Danny Richardson
Jordan Abdull (not actually sure on this one, could just be that he's at the end of his loan. What a signing that would be.)
Marc Sneyd
Lewis Dodd (sure he'll re-sign at Saints)
Jon Bennison (same)
Hookers
Adam Milner
Amir Borouh
Back rowers
Alex Mellor (not a bad replacement for Ashurst. Good player, often injured)
Sam Hewitt
James Donaldson
Jack Hughes
Oliver Holmes
Middles
Matty Storton (rumoured)
Joe Cator (would definitely take him if fit)
Jack Brown
Yusuf Aydin (why not)
Matt Davis
Ollie Partington (Again, would take him)
Adam Sidlow
Andrew Dixon
Gil Dudson
Mike Cooper
And about 15 London players, though with respect I don't think we'll go there
So if those offers are McMeeken, Johnstone, Russell, Storton, Scott, who are the other two or three? Exciting times indeed.'"
Davies, Laguerre and Hewitt are probably 3 I’d be most interested in. Hewitt I think has a lot of potential and is very much in the Ashurst mould.
I think we need 2nd row forwards the most and some backline utility cover.
I would take Hampshire though he’s been playing mainly halfback for two years at Wigan now and seems to have made a fairly good transition. He would be a good option to replace Kay but offer cover at fb, halfback and wing. | |
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Seven or eight offers! Think we can safely assume they'll be British or French (with our eight overseas players to fit into seven quota spots). We can also assume Johnstone, McMeeken and Russell are three of the eight offers. Ellis says the others are all out-of-contract at the end of the year, and they're established SL players. So that leaves us with something like:
Full backs
Gareth O'Brien (could offer good cover for Max, but doubt he'd want that)
Ryan Hampshire (I know he has a lot of fans on here, but wouldn't want him back. Can't square up the line, can't defend)
Wingers
Fouad Yaha (only 27, useful in back field, spent time in Hull so would love Wakefield)
Luis Roberts (Not proven as such)
Josh Charnley (Tough one. Obviously in the form of his life but he'll be 33)
Matty Russell (similar to above, think we can do better)
Centres
Mathieu Laguerre (can't see this but would take him)
Cameron Scott (rumoured - would be a good signing. Good athlete, plenty of improvement in him)
Zak Hardaker (please no)
Ben Hellewell (would prefer to see Joe Law et al)
Ben Davies (good player, not playing anywhere near enough at Saints so might look elsewhere)
Stefan Ratchford (can;t see it)
Halves
Danny Richardson
Jordan Abdull (not actually sure on this one, could just be that he's at the end of his loan. What a signing that would be.)
Marc Sneyd
Lewis Dodd (sure he'll re-sign at Saints)
Jon Bennison (same)
Hookers
Adam Milner
Amir Borouh
Back rowers
Alex Mellor (not a bad replacement for Ashurst. Good player, often injured)
Sam Hewitt
James Donaldson
Jack Hughes
Oliver Holmes
Middles
Matty Storton (rumoured)
Joe Cator (would definitely take him if fit)
Jack Brown
Yusuf Aydin (why not)
Matt Davis
Ollie Partington (Again, would take him)
Adam Sidlow
Andrew Dixon
Gil Dudson
Mike Cooper
And about 15 London players, though with respect I don't think we'll go there
So if those offers are McMeeken, Johnstone, Russell, Storton, Scott, who are the other two or three? Exciting times indeed.'"
Davies, Laguerre and Hewitt are probably 3 I’d be most interested in. Hewitt I think has a lot of potential and is very much in the Ashurst mould.
I think we need 2nd row forwards the most and some backline utility cover.
I would take Hampshire though he’s been playing mainly halfback for two years at Wigan now and seems to have made a fairly good transition. He would be a good option to replace Kay but offer cover at fb, halfback and wing. |
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Seven or eight offers! Think we can safely assume they'll be British or French (with our eight overseas players to fit into seven quota spots). We can also assume Johnstone, McMeeken and Russell are three of the eight offers. Ellis says the others are all out-of-contract at the end of the year, and they're established SL players. So that leaves us with something like:
Full backs
Gareth O'Brien (could offer good cover for Max, but doubt he'd want that)
Ryan Hampshire (I know he has a lot of fans on here, but wouldn't want him back. Can't square up the line, can't defend)
Wingers
Fouad Yaha (only 27, useful in back field, spent time in Hull so would love Wakefield)
Luis Roberts (Not proven as such)
Josh Charnley (Tough one. Obviously in the form of his life but he'll be 33)
Matty Russell (similar to above, think we can do better)
Centres
Mathieu Laguerre (can't see this but would take him)
Cameron Scott (rumoured - would be a good signing. Good athlete, plenty of improvement in him)
Zak Hardaker (please no)
Ben Hellewell (would prefer to see Joe Law et al)
Ben Davies (good player, not playing anywhere near enough at Saints so might look elsewhere)
Stefan Ratchford (can;t see it)
Halves
Danny Richardson
Jordan Abdull (not actually sure on this one, could just be that he's at the end of his loan. What a signing that would be.)
Marc Sneyd
Lewis Dodd (sure he'll re-sign at Saints)
Jon Bennison (same)
Hookers
Adam Milner
Amir Borouh
Back rowers
Alex Mellor (not a bad replacement for Ashurst. Good player, often injured)
Sam Hewitt
James Donaldson
Jack Hughes
Oliver Holmes
Middles
Matty Storton (rumoured)
Joe Cator (would definitely take him if fit)
Jack Brown
Yusuf Aydin (why not)
Matt Davis
Ollie Partington (Again, would take him)
Adam Sidlow
Andrew Dixon
Gil Dudson
Mike Cooper
And about 15 London players, though with respect I don't think we'll go there
So if those offers are McMeeken, Johnstone, Russell, Storton, Scott, who are the other two or three? Exciting times indeed.'"
Davies, Laguerre and Hewitt are probably 3 I’d be most interested in. Hewitt I think has a lot of potential and is very much in the Ashurst mould.
I think we need 2nd row forwards the most and some backline utility cover.
I would take Hampshire though he’s been playing mainly halfback for two years at Wigan now and seems to have made a fairly good transition. He would be a good option to replace Kay but offer cover at fb, halfback and wing. | |
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"As it stands we've too many quota players so one will need to leave. Uele is the oINOUTnly one not signed up but there's time for things to change.'"
I'm sure Vagana played some grassroots rugby over here in his younger days.
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In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.
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In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.
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| Quote ="Start@1873"In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.'"
I don't think we are watching the same player.
When playing prop he was one of our best metre gainers.
Weve just been forced to play him at SR.
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| Quote ="Start@1873"In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.'"
I'm not saying you have no right to express this opinion... You absolutely do..
But your expressed observations are more than a million miles from the conclusions I have drawn from my own observation... So far apart, I don't believe we could even have a rational discussion on the matter. |
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| Quote ="Start@1873"In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.'"
I'm impressed with how he's played, but the potential is there for him to become a star. I think he's being managed with an eye on the future rather than as a week in week out player now. |
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't think we are watching the same player.
When playing prop he was one of our best metre gainers.
Weve just been forced to play him at SR.
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Kelepi in reverse.
Been⁹ impressed so far with Vagana.
Bain or Boothroyd most at risk for me, which would be tough on Toby as he was looking good. |
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For me Bain is the obvious one in danger, he has missed a lot of games.already, there's also the unknown of how his leg will react once he starts playing, even full contact training isn't the same as game play. I like Boothroyd he seems to have a great ability to read the game, especially in defence, he gets himself into the right place quickly, he has good lateral movement, carries the ball hard, has decent hands for a forward. Don't get the criticism of Vagana at all, he has been good for us, has a high work rate in both and defence, carries the ball well, ties in 3 or 4 defenders with every carry, difficult to put to ground and gives us a quick play of the ball. He is not the finished article y any means but has lots of potential
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Apparently we have signed Jack Brown for next season, looks like another player with lots of potential, carries the ball really well, just needs to clean up his discipline.
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As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !
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| Quote ="Start@1873"As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !'"
tbh, not sure which Vagana you're watching.... |
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| Quote ="Start@1873"As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !'"
Vagana was always signed for the next season. I haven't a clue what you're watching but it's the opposite of my thoughts on the guy. He's only 23, has had no pre season, is huge and will grow even more and already causes teams huge problems when he's attacking and you're basically slagging him off. 
I've said from almost his first game how impressed I've been, especially as he fell off a plane and started playing for us, no pre-season or anything, which is why DP will not want to push him too much from the start.
The more games he's played, especially at Prop the better he's gone IMO and done a decent job in the back row when we've been short. It was only a few games ago he was most people's Motm, I can't remember the game.
His ceiling is very high IMO. As I said he's only 23, so very young for a prop, and he already causes chaos down the middle, with the opposition defenders usually taking 3 or 4 to bring him down and he just about always gets a quick play of the ball off the back of his drives. Another year of physical development, as well as improvements in his own game and he will be an absolute menace even at SL level.
All you have to do is look at Atoni even though he's in his prime at 28, average last year, he's got fitter and more confident and he's like a new player for us. |
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| Quote ="Start@1873"As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !'"
Vagana is already signed up for 2025. Not sure what Vagana you’ve been watching but he’s been very good at prop and when asked to play at SR out of position turned in solid performances. I feel if a player doesn’t play for a few games some fans seem to forget how well they actually played.
Vagana has huge potential along with our other props. For Vagana specifically if he works to add to his frame he could be an absolute monster in a few short years. The conditioner at Trinity seems to have them firing and fit short term but will be good to see long term how the players bodies develop.
In discussion for those at risk. There are two imo - but it is far too early to tell at all and so much rugby to be played. The two are Lino and Bain (only because we haven’t seen him yet).
If the Brown rumour is true then that’s another prop/13 for next season.
Second row is the area for me we really need to sign quality in with Pitts, Ashurst and Griffin all end of their careers and off contract. |
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If I had a list of players out of contract I’d be looking at the below for 2025 (domestic) :
Backs
Matthieu (Centre) Catalans - in the few games I’ve seen he looks like a pretty good centre.
Can Scott (Centre) - seem to remember him playing well vs us and could be a good centre option.
Tom Johnstone (Wing) - be an excellent player to have back.
Hampshire (Fb/wing/halfback) - impressed with how he’s transitioned to halfback and looked solid in Wigan game I watched last week. Played well in reserves grand final 2023 too.
Forwards
Sam Hewitt (right second row) Hudds - though he looked solid on the loan in a team performing poor. Only just 25 and probably going to hit his best in next few years.
Oli Holmes (second row) Leigh - will be 32 next year but he could be a decent pickup for short term. Could add to a potent left edge.
Mike Mckmeekin (prop/second row) - would be a good pick up and a very good forward consistently when watching him for Catalans.
Jack Brown (Prop/loose) - as rumoured. Don’t know much about him but A fair amount of fc fans seem to rate him.
Does anyone know if there’s any young academy lads who are possibly looking like they could step up next season to the first team? I have t watched them this season.
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A lot of the new signings have been targeted as project signings.
They are players in the main who have not been in a full time environment and much will friend in how they adapt to that and improve from being full time.
Uele has clearly shown enough, Vagana is still very young and will need to add to his frame this year for him to be ready for SL.
Bain and Boothroyd were always coming in as back up players with a view to seeing if they can step up as we transition away from the older established secondrow forwards.
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Matty Russell a target apparently but journos might be putting 2 and two together with Powell signing him for Warrington. Guess Olly Holmes will be nailed on then?
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I've always liked Russel, he's deceptively strong and has a lot of pace but he's one of those, a bit like Eden, one minutes he's fantastic, next he's dropping the ball 5 metres from his own line, the Wakefield of old couldn't afford to have a player like that in the team but for me it depends on how the rest of the team looks and the brand of rugby we play.
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Can cover wing and fullback.
He’s another money ball type signing gets his team on the front foot.
I don’t think if he comes he’s coming as a starting player but useful squad player but to be honest I’d be hoping for better.
As Homme says he is prone to the odd error and sometimes has hands like cows udders also got a brain fart in him.
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