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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"But this is my point.
Weyman is giving Grahame Horne a gobful not the ref but Grahame Horne it's clear by who he is looking at yet the ref decides it him he is talking too so sends him off. Now after seeing what happened and what was/has been ignored on Friday how can that be squared away with anyone?'"
The match footage clearly shows Weyman approaches Roby & shouts in his face. Weyman knew what he had done, didn't question the decision and walked straight off.
The Hardaker incident is being looked at, but it is clear his comments were not aimed at the referee. I haven't seen the Peacock clip.
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| Maybe the RFL need to have word with Wane. Everytime the cameras give him a close up it's effin and jeffin!
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| Last I heard the ZH incident was still being looked at, so that is not the same as nothing being done.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"The match footage clearly shows Weyman approaches Roby & shouts in his face. Weyman knew what he had done, didn't question the decision and walked straight off.
The Hardaker incident is being looked at, but it is clear his comments were not aimed at the referee. I haven't seen the Peacock clip.'"
So, two people watch the same incident yet, see two different things.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"but it is clear his comments were not aimed at the referee. '"
No it's not!
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"But this is my point.
Weyman is giving Grahame Horne a gobful not the ref but Grahame Horne it's clear by who he is looking at yet the ref decides it him he is talking too so sends him off. .....'"
I once sent a player off for calling me a bent b'stard. He maintained he was saying it to one of the opposition players. I thought it was aimed at me. End of.
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| Quote ="roversmad"So, two people watch the same incident yet, see two different things.'"
The Super League show is on BBC iPlayer. Watch the footage yourself.
Castleford are 40-6 ahead and Roby awards them a penalty inside the HKR 10. Weyman is No.10 and after getting to his feet following a tackle, clearly shouts something at the referee as he walks right past him.
My view differs to that of a fan of the club who had a player sent off.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"No it's not!'"
It's perfectly clear. Carl Ablett does address his comments at James Child., Zak Hardaker aims his comments at the Warrington player he is looking at.
The incident is being looked at by the RFL. Crucially, they do not include the words, 'towards the referee' when announcing his comments would be investigated.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"The Super League show is on BBC iPlayer. Watch the footage yourself.
Castleford are 40-6 ahead and Roby awards them a penalty inside the HKR 10. Weyman is No.10 and after getting to his feet following a tackle, clearly shouts something at the referee as he walks right past him.
My view differs to that of a fan of the club who had a player sent off.'"
Keep your hair on.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"The Super League show is on BBC iPlayer. Watch the footage yourself.
Castleford are 40-6 ahead and Roby awards them a penalty inside the HKR 10. Weyman is No.10 and after getting to his feet following a tackle, clearly shouts something at the referee as he walks right past him.
My view differs to that of a fan of the club who had a player sent off.'"
I want what is right across the board, being a fan of the sport. So when Peacock and Hardaker get the same punishment as Wayman has just received for what is the same offence IMO. That's all we ask for......is it??
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"It's perfectly clear. Carl Ablett does address his comments at James Child., Zak Hardaker aims his comments at the Warrington player he is looking at.
The incident is being looked at by the RFL. Crucially, they do not include the words, 'towards the referee' when announcing his comments would be investigated.'"
You do realise the figure that walks in front of Hardaker and Ablett as Ablett says 'that's f*cking bullsh*t" is James Child? And that Zak was therefore looking straight at him when he says whatever he says?
I'm not sure why he'd be having such a go at a Warrington player over a penalty for interference at the play the ball.
The press are quite happily reporting it as alleged abuse towards James Child.
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"I want what is right across the board, being a fan of the sport. So when Peacock and Hardaker get the same punishment as Wayman has just received for what is the same offence IMO. That's all we ask for......is it??'"
To right it should be 1 rule for all, not say what you like after you've given a penalty away but be ok because your JP! It's a sham the RFL!
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"This isn't directed at a particular club or player as all are guilty to differing extents.
I think it is about time the RFL, ref's and clubs started clamping down on this before we end up like football. Any abuse of ref's by players should be dealt with harshly. I was brought up playing at school to call the ref sir and not question anything, the captain was permitted to ask the ref for an explanation. We even used to bring the ref a water bottle during any stoppage in play.
It's something we should be proud of as a sport and needs to come back.
I don't think the ref's are any better or worse than they have ever been. The problem now is errors are highlighted a lot more due to the number of cameras about and inept commentators who won't let it go.'"
Great post.
I don't see enough tv games to know how widespread the problem is becoming but could not agree more with the sentiments of your post
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"I want what is right across the board, being a fan of the sport. So when Peacock and Hardaker get the same punishment as Wayman has just received for what is the same offence IMO. That's all we ask for......is it??'"
Weyman abused Roby directly. I haven't seen the Peacock incident, is it available anywhere? Hardaker isn't aiming his comments at the referee, so I fail to see how the punishment can be the same.
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| Quote ="Cronus"You do realise the figure that walks in front of Hardaker and Ablett as Ablett says 'that's f*cking bullsh*t" is James Child? And that Zak was therefore looking straight at him when he says whatever he says?
I'm not sure why he'd be having such a go at a Warrington player over a penalty for interference at the play the ball.
The press are quite happily reporting it as alleged abuse towards James Child.'"
I would absolutely agree Ablette looks directly at James Child and his eyes and body language show he is addressing him.
Hardaker is facing the Warrington team. He doesn't look at, turn towards or speak to James Child. He is clearly looking at and aiming his comment at a Warrington player throughout. What we don't see is what any Warrington player may have said to Hardaker. I'd suggest there was some 'banter' going both ways.
I think the fact that the RFL investigation makes no reference to comments being made towards the referee is key here. Also it has to be noted that James Child does not react.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"It's perfectly clear. Carl Ablett does address his comments at James Child., Zak Hardaker aims his comments at the Warrington player he is looking at.
The incident is being looked at by the RFL. Crucially, they do not include the words, 'towards the referee' when announcing his comments would be investigated.'"
I disagree,
What about Peacocks foul mouthed tirade, is that one being ignored?
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| Quote ="The Avenger"I disagree,
What about Peacocks foul mouthed tirade, is that one being ignored?'"
Which part of my post that you left out don't you agree with?
As already said I haven't seen the Peacock clip. Is it online anywhere?
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"I would absolutely agree Ablette looks directly at James Child and his eyes and body language show he is addressing him.
Hardaker is facing the Warrington team. He doesn't look at, turn towards or speak to James Child. He is clearly looking at and aiming his comment at a Warrington player throughout. What we don't see is what any Warrington player may have said to Hardaker. I'd suggest there was some 'banter' going both ways.
I think the fact that the RFL investigation makes no reference to comments being made towards the referee is key here. Also it has to be noted that James Child does not react.'"
Let me repeat, and you can see this clearly on the clip: as Ablett is speaking, James Child walks to the penalty mark, passing across the front of Ablett and Hardaker, and is directly in front of Hardaker and in his direct line of sight when he speaks. If you don't believe this, follow Ablett's eyes as he watches Child pass him, just before Hardaker speaks.
Then, go back a few seconds and on the wide view. The first thing Hardaker does when the penalty is blown is have a strop, look at Child and shout something at him, walking towards him from behind Ablett. As he comes in shot in the close-up he just emerges from behind Ablett, staring and shouting at Child as he walks to the penalty mark. Even the commentators mention Leeds getting angry at the ref's decisions.
You can repeat what you're saying all day, but it simply isn't true. Ablett had a go at Child and Hardaker joined in.
But if you're so convinced - which Warrington player is he having a go at, and why? There was no niggle, no sledging, nothing untoward between the players at that point.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"Which part of my post that you left out don't you agree with?
As already said I haven't seen the Peacock clip. Is it online anywhere?'"
The part I'd already commented on in the previous post, please keep up!
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| Quote ="Cronus"Let me repeat, and you can see this clearly on the clip: as Ablett is speaking, James Child walks to the penalty mark, passing across the front of Ablett and Hardaker, and is directly in front of Hardaker and in his direct line of sight when he speaks. If you don't believe this, follow Ablett's eyes as he watches Child pass him, just before Hardaker speaks.
Then, go back a few seconds and on the wide view.'"
F****cking hell. A few of you guys need to go on some of the JFK forums where your mindset will be appreciated.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Let me repeat, and you can see this clearly on the clip: as Ablett is speaking, James Child walks to the penalty mark, passing across the front of Ablett and Hardaker, and is directly in front of Hardaker and in his direct line of sight when he speaks. If you don't believe this, follow Ablett's eyes as he watches Child pass him, just before Hardaker speaks.
Then, go back a few seconds and on the wide view. The first thing Hardaker does when the penalty is blown is have a strop, look at Child and shout something at him, walking towards him from behind Ablett. As he comes in shot in the close-up he just emerges from behind Ablett, staring and shouting at Child as he walks to the penalty mark. Even the commentators mention Leeds getting angry at the ref's decisions.
You can repeat what you're saying all day, but it simply isn't true. Ablett had a go at Child and Hardaker joined in.
But if you're so convinced - which Warrington player is he having a go at, and why? There was no niggle, no sledging, nothing untoward between the players at that point.'"
You are completely wrong mate, and will be shown by the RFL.
Ablett had the ball stolen in the tackle and the ref awards a knock on. Ablett is not happy and vents his anger. The Warrington player patted Hardaker has he went past, gloating on the penalty, and Hardaker responded to that player.
What the RFL are investigating is the language used, and the fact it was picked up on TV.
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"I once sent a player off for calling me a bent b'stard. He maintained he was saying it to one of the opposition players. I thought it was aimed at me. End of.'"
me the same. if they are talking about me, even to a teammate, and i can hear it i deal with it.
most of the time its designed for me to hear it but they try to use the get out that they are talking to a team mate
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You are completely wrong mate, and will be shown by the RFL.
Ablett had the ball stolen in the tackle and the ref awards a knock on. Ablett is not happy and vents his anger. The Warrington player patted Hardaker has he went past, gloating on the penalty, and Hardaker responded to that player.
What the RFL are investigating is the language used, and the fact it was picked up on TV.'"
What are you even watching? The penalty was for Leuluai lifting Monaghan's leg after the tackle, not a ball steal. No Warrington player touches Ablett. He doesn't look at any Warrington player and speaks only to Child, who walks past him (and Hardaker) to the penalty mark.
I think you need to go back and watch at 66:35 at realise everything you've just said is rubbish.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Let me repeat, and you can see this clearly on the clip: as Ablett is speaking, James Child walks to the penalty mark, passing across the front of Ablett and Hardaker, and is directly in front of Hardaker and in his direct line of sight when he speaks. If you don't believe this, follow Ablett's eyes as he watches Child pass him, just before Hardaker speaks.
Then, go back a few seconds and on the wide view. The first thing Hardaker does when the penalty is blown is have a strop, look at Child and shout something at him, walking towards him from behind Ablett. As he comes in shot in the close-up he just emerges from behind Ablett, staring and shouting at Child as he walks to the penalty mark. Even the commentators mention Leeds getting angry at the ref's decisions.
You can repeat what you're saying all day, but it simply isn't true. Ablett had a go at Child and Hardaker joined in.
But if you're so convinced - which Warrington player is he having a go at, and why? There was no niggle, no sledging, nothing untoward between the players at that point.'"
So Hardaker shouts a first time & Child doesn't react? Then you somehow think he does it again and Child again doesn't react?
You can repeat as many times as you like your completely unsupported view that Zak Hardaker aims his comments at james Child. Wide view, or close view, Zak Hardaker is clearly aiming his comment at a Warrington player on not James Child.
I'm actually of the opinion that Zak Hardaker doesn't have a case to answer.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"So Hardaker shouts a first time & Child doesn't react? Then you somehow think he does it again and Child again doesn't react?
You can repeat as many times as you like your completely unsupported view that Zak Hardaker aims his comments at james Child. Wide view, or close view, Zak Hardaker is clearly aiming his comment at a Warrington player on not James Child.
I'm actually of the opinion that Zak Hardaker doesn't have a case to answer.'"
Do I have to post pictures?
Do I?
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