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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Irony not your strong point is it.'"
So Wire possibly the best run club in SL and a Keighley fan has the temerity to question it as irony, do you even know what that means are you just being simple?
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| Golden ticket was a silly idea, marquee was a good one
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| I'd much prefer amendments to the salary cap for long serving at club players, i.e from say 6 seasons on from when player has made is 20th league appearance only 70% of his salary is counted on the cap and after 10 seasons only 25% is counted on the salary cap. This encourages clubs to develop players and also in time should see players wages rising.
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| The Marquee exception would do little to nothing to grow the game of RL in the UK.
Assume all teams had one player. How does that get anyone in Birmingham watching a game? How does it inspire a youngster in Scotland to start playing.
I accept it would allow Salford and others to increase their player base and Saints would follow suit if it was voted in. But in reality, the expense spent would attract no more money to the SL and money is what SL needs. It would produce no more grass roots clubs outside the heartlands. It would not provide a gateway into the nations sporting consciousness.
It would be nothing more than a vain attempt to placate fans who are desperate for simple solutions to complex problems. The growth of the game geographically and mentally will not happen without hard work and boots on the ground where we don't currently have them.
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| Why don't we make it simple?
If you buy a marquee player above the salary cap, you forfeit 50% your Sky distribution for the benefit of all other clubs, which is shared between other clubs.
Two players - 100% of your Sky distribution.
If Koukash wants it - let him pay for it.
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| Quote ="Fully"Why don't we make it simple?
If you buy a marquee player above the salary cap, you forfeit 50% your Sky distribution for the benefit of all other clubs, which is shared between other clubs.
Two players - 100% of your Sky distribution.
If Koukash wants it - let him pay for it.'"
Koukash would jump on that if it was offered to him, he's perfectly willing to pay for it.
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| The marquee player would have been a great idea and it would keep some of our better players in our game, 12 teams in SL next season, i dont believe the RFU or NRL are targetting that many of our players, so 1 marquee player per club is surfice
the golden ticket is too much, Koukash maybe able to purchase the lesser fortunate clubs tickets, this would just make it a big divide between the big spenders and the ones who manage their books accoredingly, we already have a gap betweent the top 5 or 6 clubs in quality, why would we want to make it wider
well done to the clubs who voted against it!
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| Quote ="andyh0064"Koukash would jump on that if it was offered to him, he's perfectly willing to pay for it.'"
True.
Hence why I think the tax idea is much better than this golden ticket.
If you pay one marquee player over the top, 50% of the amount you pay is given to all other clubs too.
Therefore if Koukash signs a player for £400k over the cap then £200k is given to the other (then 11) clubs, so potentially a total £2.6m outlay max.
Or if other clubs want to use it (say the other 4 clubs voting in favour of his proposal) use theirs, then they forfeit the right to the money (so Koukash's outlay is now £1.8m total).
Then if the other clubs spend £100k each on a marquee player over the cap, same for them £50k to other clubs). Total outlay each £450k.
This would provide other clubs with £400k, which would either stabilise the club and help invest in youth and infrastructure. Or they can ring-fence it and use it as their fund for a marquee player the following season?
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"The Marquee exception would do little to nothing to grow the game of RL in the UK.
Assume all teams had one player. How does that get anyone in Birmingham watching a game? How does it inspire a youngster in Scotland to start playing.
I accept it would allow Salford and others to increase their player base and Saints would follow suit if it was voted in. But in reality, the expense spent would attract no more money to the SL and money is what SL needs. It would produce no more grass roots clubs outside the heartlands. It would not provide a gateway into the nations sporting consciousness.
It would be nothing more than a vain attempt to placate fans who are desperate for simple solutions to complex problems. The growth of the game geographically and mentally will not happen without hard work and boots on the ground where we don't currently have them.'"
So you don't think the likes of Cameron Smith, Billy Slater, Sam Tomkins, Sam Burgess and so on would attract more money to Super League? I'll tell you it will. I guarantee you'd get a much bigger competition sponsorship deal for a start. It would also improve the product on the pitch, shame we sold ourselves down the river for the next 8 years with that one though. Each club would attract a much higher calibre of sponsors too, as well as the inevitable interest and increase in attendances to see such players.
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| Andrew John's at Wire for 3 games, no one remembers it, no one ever talks about it, it was quiet in Warrington, none ofthe papers mentioned it, none of the opposition fans wanted to see him either, it was all hush hush, I bet you all think I'm lying it was so low key.
Oh yeah that's right I'm talking b*ll*cks
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Andrew John's at Wire for 3 games, no one remembers it, no one ever talks about it, it was quiet in Warrington, none ofthe papers mentioned it, none of the opposition fans wanted to see him either, it was all hush hush, I bet you all think I'm lying it was so low key.
Oh yeah that's right I'm talking b*ll*cks'"
Andrew Johns at Warrington? Get away!!!
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| I know, marquee players, they'll never work...honest
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"I know, marquee players, they'll never work...honest'"
Your chairman disagrees, he voted in favour, but what does he know about entertainment and the effects of stardom?
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| Exactly, people don't want entertainment, they want 5 drives and a kick at Belle Vue under a condemned roof.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Exactly, people don't want entertainment, they want 5 drives and a kick at Belle Vue under a condemned roof.'"
Don't forget the mend a hose jungle! It's the future!
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| Quote ="Mike87"Andrew Johns at Warrington?'"
He was there!
Quote ="Mike87"Get away!!!'"
Yep....he did ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| I remember the Halliwell Jones being empty for the first game Andrew Johns played. Nobody was interested at all, was they?
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"The Marquee exception would do little to nothing to grow the game of RL in the UK.
Assume all teams had one player. How does that get anyone in Birmingham watching a game? How does it inspire a youngster in Scotland to start playing.
I accept it would allow Salford and others to increase their player base and Saints would follow suit if it was voted in. But in reality, the expense spent would attract no more money to the SL and money is what SL needs. It would produce no more grass roots clubs outside the heartlands. It would not provide a gateway into the nations sporting consciousness.
It would be nothing more than a vain attempt to placate fans who are desperate for simple solutions to complex problems. The growth of the game geographically and mentally will not happen without hard work and boots on the ground where we don't currently have them.'"
Its seems ridiculous that your judgement of success of a marquee example would be whether or not it got more people in Birmingham watching
What if it gets more people in Leeds, Wakefield, Salfod? I remember the buzz in Leeds when we signed Ali Lauitiiti, it was huge and people were genuinely excited. Similarly when Wire signed Andrew Johns.
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| Quote ="Fully"Why don't we make it simple?
If you buy a marquee player above the salary cap, you forfeit 50% your Sky distribution for the benefit of all other clubs, which is shared between other clubs.
Two players - 100% of your Sky distribution.
If Koukash wants it - let him pay for it.'"
Why do small clubs always expect any investment to give them free money?
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"I remember the Halliwell Jones being empty for the first game Andrew Johns played. Nobody was interested at all, was they?'"
13000+ being empty............you wish
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"I remember the Halliwell Jones being empty for the first game Andrew Johns played. Nobody was interested at all, was they?'"
Its all well and good banging on about Andrew Johns at Warrington, but could a SL team get a player of that quality over here for a season or 2? could they hell.
The current players of that quality are Smith. Thurston, Inglis and SBW.
SBW rumoured deal for RU next year is over £1 million/ season
RL in England is relatively low profile and the ARL wont pick a player playing in SL for Oz, and they wont play SOO either. They wont get their high profile and very lucrative endorsement deals over here.
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| We're all being facetious regards Johns but the truth is Wire could have sold out their current capacity and probably more if someone of Johns calibre came over again, imagine Wire announcing Thurston tomorrow, even away fans would want to see him and it would be a big deal in RL circles here and abroad.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Its all well and good banging on about Andrew Johns at Warrington, but could a SL team get a player of that quality over here for a season or 2? could they hell.
The current players of that quality are Smith. Thurston, Inglis and SBW.
SBW rumoured deal for RU next year is over £1 million/ season
RL in England is relatively low profile and the ARL wont pick a player playing in SL for Oz, and they wont play SOO either. They wont get their high profile and very lucrative endorsement deals over here.'"
But we did get them before when the financials worked in our favour, we got some quality players coming over here. People like King, Lauitiiti, Lyon, Barret, Bai, Johns, Jones.
Maybe we wouldnt get an Inglis right now, no reason we couldnt get a Shaun Johnson. Are we going to get a Billy Slater? probably not, A Brett Stewart? probably. We probably wont get Cronk, we certainly could have brought Widdop back, We could have kept Soward, no reason we couldnt have swooped in for Jennings.
Will it make it more likely that occasionally circumstances will conspire so that we get a real top level player? A Thurston, a Smith, An Inglis? Of course.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"But we did get them before when the financials worked in our favour, we got some quality players coming over here. People like King, Lauitiiti, Lyon, Barret, Bai, Johns, Jones.
Maybe we wouldnt get an Inglis right now, no reason we couldnt get a Shaun Johnson. Are we going to get a Billy Slater? probably not, A Brett Stewart? probably. We probably wont get Cronk, we certainly could have brought Widdop back, We could have kept Soward, no reason we couldnt have swooped in for Jennings.
Will it make it more likely that occasionally circumstances will conspire so that we get a real top level player? A Thurston, a Smith, An Inglis? Of course.'"
So we can only get 2nd tier Ozzie players (still class for SL)? hardly Marquee though are they?
Luke Walsh is about the top class we will get. Quality player no doubt, but not what i would class as marquee
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| Like Walsh as top class currently, you could get better if you had a money no object option open up to you.
Even if they're just off the prime, Slater is past his best but still a phenomenal player.
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