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| Quote ="Judder Man"Leeds are a spent force these days having to qualify to stay in super league on two recent seasons is the reality, too may great players lost and not replaced to stay competitive. You need to look west for trophies from now on.'"
What did we do in that middle season of two seasons of qualifying to stay in SL??? Won a trophy that most never have and won’t.
Yeah that’s what people said in October 2016 and that ended up with plenty of egg on faces 12 months later.
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| Next year's comp is wide open. Lots of changes taking place at most clubs, on and off the pitch, especially at the bigger clubs. Take into account a new format, next year should be pretty exciting
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Next year's comp is wide open. Lots of changes taking place at most clubs, on and off the pitch, especially at the bigger clubs. Take into account a new format, next year should be pretty exciting'"
Somehow I think the championship will be more exciting again!
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Next year's comp is wide open. Lots of changes taking place at most clubs, on and off the pitch, especially at the bigger clubs. Take into account a new format, next year should be pretty exciting'"
I reckon the top 5 will be similar to the ones this year, quite a few quality players going to the NRL and some players coming to their sell by date. With this in mind Im not expecting an improved standard of Superleague.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Next year's comp is wide open. Lots of changes taking place at most clubs, on and off the pitch, especially at the bigger clubs. Take into account a new format, next year should be pretty exciting'"
LLS might be wide open. GF will go to one of two teams unless they both suffer badly from injuries, Wigan did in 2017, Leeds did in 2018. If neither do it could a repeat of the 2015 GF.
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| Warrington missed a big chance tonight.wigan were ragged and made a lot of mistakes just that wire didn't offer much when in the red zone.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"LLS might be wide open. GF will go to one of two teams unless they both suffer badly from injuries, Wigan did in 2017, Leeds did in 2018. If neither do it could a repeat of the 2015 GF.'"
Going back to the old play off format could stop a team outside the top making the final.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Going back to the old play off format could stop a team outside the top making the final.'"
Yeah and that’s why it’s less likely you’ll see a club like Hudds or Cas win a LLS and the usual suspects will end up where they need to be.
First year of 8 team playoffs in 2009 Leeds finished 1st and won the GF....then in following years finished well off and still won GF’s from 5th twice
First year of Super 8’s in 2015 Leeds finished 1st and won the GF....then finished comfortably in 2nd and beat Cas in the GF.
Last two structure changes Leeds have won the LLS and GF first year up and then snuck in and won the GF in other years. Next year, new structure........
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| Bloody hell printer give it a rest mate. Only the most self obsessed leeds fan would turn a topic of the 2018 GF featuring wigan and Warrington to be about Leeds!
If you fancy leeds to win the GF next year I strongly suggest lumping on asap, you'll get circa 6/1. It's more likely there will be another name on the trophy than leeds winning it next year.
Getting back on topic, amazing from wigan and wane, not so much tonight but to finish the season with 10 straight, to concede just 4 points in 2 playoff games, to concede something like 8 tries in 9 games, phenomenal.
Losing Wane, Tomkins , bateman and Sutton is a hell of a hit though. Really fancy Saints to be there or there abouts next year.
As for Warrington, Sickener, sympathies for their fans. To lose 4 finals in 3 years is brutal.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Bloody hell printer give it a rest mate. Only the most self obsessed leeds fan would turn a topic of the 2018 GF featuring wigan and Warrington to be about Leeds!
If you fancy leeds to win the GF next year I strongly suggest lumping on asap, you'll get circa 6/1. It's more likely there will be another name on the trophy than leeds winning it next year.
Getting back on topic, amazing from wigan and wane, not so much tonight but to finish the season with 10 straight, to concede just 4 points in 2 playoff games, to concede something like 8 tries in 9 games, phenomenal.
Losing Wane, Tomkins , bateman and Sutton is a hell of a hit though. Really fancy Saints to be there or there abouts next year.
As for Warrington, Sickener, sympathies for their fans. To lose 4 finals in 3 years is brutal.'"
Not a chance we will be there or there abouts next season. On redvee, Naiqama has been heralded as a saviour. For those of us that watch the NRL, he’s a poor mans Ade Gardner. Between cas and Wigan for me. Warrington will choke again and Leeds, on paper or bottom half of the league again
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Not a chance we will be there or there abouts next season. On redvee, Naiqama has been heralded as a saviour. For those of us that watch the NRL, he’s a poor mans Ade Gardner. Between cas and Wigan for me. Warrington will choke again and Leeds, on paper or bottom half of the league again
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You were seconds from old Trafford last year despite being garbage! Put Walmsley back in, even if naiqama is steady away it's still an improvement on last year's saints side. You probably won't smash sides week in week out but wigan didn't expecially this year nor leeds last year .
Cas and wires best chance of silverware is playing each other in a final!
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| Any team with Tyrone Roberts in the halves will win anything.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Bloody hell printer give it a rest mate. Only the most self obsessed leeds fan would turn a topic of the 2018 GF featuring wigan and Warrington to be about Leeds!
If you fancy leeds to win the GF next year I strongly suggest lumping on asap, you'll get circa 6/1. It's more likely there will be another name on the trophy than leeds winning it next year.
Getting back on topic, amazing from wigan and wane, not so much tonight but to finish the season with 10 straight, to concede just 4 points in 2 playoff games, to concede something like 8 tries in 9 games, phenomenal.
Losing Wane, Tomkins , bateman and Sutton is a hell of a hit though. Really fancy Saints to be there or there abouts next year.
As for Warrington, Sickener, sympathies for their fans. To lose 4 finals in 3 years is brutal.'"
Sorry if the truth hurts, but maybe if people listened they’d understand why the same two teams win.
Saints will be there or there abouts next year but “there abouts” doesn’t win Grand Finals.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Not a chance we will be there or there abouts next season. On redvee, Naiqama has been heralded as a saviour. For those of us that watch the NRL, he’s a poor mans Ade Gardner. Between cas and Wigan for me. Warrington will choke again and Leeds, on paper or bottom half of the league again
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King James'"
This time 12 months ago who’d have Warrington as reaching both finals and Catalans as CC winners when both where in the bottom 4 with the latter playing away in the MPG.
Leeds went from 9th to GF winners once before recently with most of the same squad. only a fool would dismiss them from being in contention again next year.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Last 12 Grand Finals
11 wins = Wigan & Leeds
9 losses = Warrington & Saints'"
11 wins = Wigan & Leeds
9 losses = Warrington & Saints
6 League Leaders' Shields = Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Saints, Castleford, Huddersfield (plus Bradford if you go back 3 more years)
What a shame the best team over the weekly rounds is overlooked for a the winners of a mini knock-out competition.
And I say that celebrating our win tonight.
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| Quote ="Cronus"11 wins = Wigan & Leeds
9 losses = Warrington & Saints
6 League Leaders' Shields = Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Saints, Castleford, Huddersfield (plus Bradford if you go back 3 more years)
What a shame the best team over the weekly rounds is overlooked for a the winners of a mini knock-out competition.
And I say that celebrating our win tonight.
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They aren’t overlooked though if they follow it up in the playoffs. Leeds have won the LLS 3 times in 2004, 2009 and 2015....we won the GF every time.
Nothing stopping those other LLS winners doing the same EXCEPT their OWN failures.
Saints had the advantage of home territory and playing against the team that was least consistent of the 4 over the season...that they couldn’t take advantage of this advantage isn’t a shame it just shows that they aren’t a champion team.
The regular season now is just about who has the least injuries, the playoffs tell you whose really best.
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| Quote ="Hopie"Heard the ref warning the Wigan players about standing in front of the goal line when Wire are attacking inside the ten, still not getting back this half and no penalty.'"
Wigans first try was made by Gildart running past a player 5 yards offside at the goal line
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| Quote ="Willzay"Congrats Wigan. I bet Joel,Tomkins feels more of a twit now.'"
Hasn't he played enough matches to get a winners medal?
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| All in all, last night was another poor final. I haven't seen a decent GF since 2011. It's probably symptomatic of how poor and in decline the league is in general, but if we are insistent that this is 'the showpiece' of rugby league in this hemisphere and oppose first past the post, then we need to do something about raising the quality of the finals.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Knees from Williams on Charnley as he scores..'"
??? Just watching the replay on Sky now and I didnt see that? He goes over the top of him.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Sorry if the truth hurts, but maybe if people listened they’d understand why the same two teams win.
Saints will be there or there abouts next year but “there abouts” doesn’t win Grand Finals.'"
Leeds have been Great with the capital G over the last decade or so. It’s the lot of great teams to be resented in their own time, and of some of their fans to bear it with defensive ill humour. As with Liverpool in the 70s and 80s and Manchester United in the 90s and 2000s, the admiration is delayed and they become more widely treasured later. Wane’s Wigan might be Revie’s Leeds in this analogy. If it’s any consolation, if the Rhinos continue on their current trajectory their GF winning teams might start to be more fondly regarded by fans of other teams quite soon!
As for why the same two teams win so consistently, the biggest single reason is resource. You might get a Castleford or a Leicester City doing a spectacular job of swimming against the tide for a while, but ultimately money tells. Which isn’t to say that the Leeds and Wigan clubs don’t work hard or efficiently or have a positive culture or whatever, but the key building block of their success is their size and wealth, which is natural. Back when we were winning major trophies in the early- to mid-80s, we were doing stuff like breaking the transfer record. There is no great mystery to it.
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| I never expected the win. They are better than us and the big thing was they had a lot more creativity about them than we did.
Better season than last year, losing in finals isn’t what you want but it’s a damn site better than fighting off relegation!
Losing in finals is actually just becoming like losing normal games now. When we lost the semi to Leeds in 2011 I was absolutely gutted, that [iwas[/i our year that one! Losing the finals in 2012 and ‘13 were bad but since then the CC finals and GF defeats I don’t think we’ve been the best side in any of them and can see why we’ve lost and accept it fairly well.
We need to put more thought into the structure of our squad.
We overachieved in 2016 and 2018. No way were we a particularly top side in either year but we reached four finals and finished 1st and 4th in the league. What does that say about the rest of the league?
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"??? Just watching the replay on Sky now and I didnt see that? He goes over the top of him.'"
Nah you don’t go on your knees by accident there. The only reason is to go on the legs of Charnley, which he does.
Wigan were very lucky to still have Tomkins on the pitch and you could say his knees into Charnley would constitute an 8 point try.
Having said that Wigan were extraordinary in that game I thought. Warrington never looked like getting through. Some will say that’s Warrington playing poorly however I think it has far more to do with Wigan strangling the life out of them.
Good game I thought.
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| Quote ="Him"Nah you don’t go on your knees by accident there. The only reason is to go on the legs of Charnley, which he does.
Wigan were very lucky to still have Tomkins on the pitch and you could say his knees into Charnley would constitute an 8 point try.
Having said that Wigan were extraordinary in that game I thought. Warrington never looked like getting through. Some will say that’s Warrington playing poorly however I think it has far more to do with Wigan strangling the life out of them.
Good game I thought.'"
No he doesn't I've just seen the replay
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| Quote ="Cronus"11 wins = Wigan & Leeds
9 losses = Warrington & Saints
6 League Leaders' Shields = Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Saints, Castleford, Huddersfield (plus Bradford if you go back 3 more years)
What a shame the best team over the weekly rounds is overlooked for a the winners of a mini knock-out competition.
And I say that celebrating our win tonight.
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In theory, it seems that a play-off series and GF should open things up, but it’s become clear that the top teams have an extra gear and raise their intensity for the big games.
Phil Clarke’s stuff about other teams narrowing the gap between their best and worst performances, and aiming to be more consistent ignores that the top teams performances are often very uneven, but even on a bad day they can usually get away with turning it on for 15 or 20 minutes. They’re just better.
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