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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"I I can see it could benefit the away team by not playing in Toulouse, given that the French team are one of the better ones in their league.'"
Whoa steady, they are far more an Anglo-Aussie team.........Try the French Elite league, you will find real French teams there....
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| Quote ="atomic"They could potentially play at a neutral ground in the UK. They are full time and that’s an option.'"
They could but they have to be fitted in somewhere. Say half of their remaining home games are postponed before travel restrictions are lifted that’s six games to fit in somewhere. Or they lose all of them and plan to re-arrange over here at a neutral venue that’s 10 games to re-arrange.
It would have been better nominating a neutral venue and playing there until travel restrictions are lifted.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"They could but they have to be fitted in somewhere. Say half of their remaining home games are postponed before travel restrictions are lifted that’s six games to fit in somewhere. Or they lose all of them and plan to re-arrange over here at a neutral venue that’s 10 games to re-arrange.
It would have been better nominating a neutral venue and playing there until travel restrictions are lifted.'"
If they win all (or most) of the games that they actually play, plus the odd 24 - 0 walkover, they wont need to play any postponed fixtures.
Also, there are only a couple of free weekends for them to fit postponed games in, therefore, it looks very unlikely that they will complete their full set of fixtures, which is the reason behind the "win percentage" to decide the league standings.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"If they win all (or most) of the games that they actually play, plus the odd 24 - 0 walkover, they wont need to play any postponed fixtures.
Also, there are only a couple of free weekends for them to fit postponed games in, therefore, it looks very unlikely that they will complete their full set of fixtures, which is the reason behind the "win percentage" to decide the league standings.'"
They will need to re-arrange if they haven't managed 16 matches in total or they won't qualify for the play offs - that's only four more postponed home matches after the two so far. They can't pick and choose which ones to re-arrange either and as you say there are only a couple of free weekends as the season can't run over because of the world cup.
If all their remaining home games went and they won every other match (they won't) they would need to re-arrange at least 4 home matches or they won't be in the play offs.
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| It has been said on 'The Full 80 Minutes' that John Kear (Bradford) & Mick Hogan (Newcastle) have stated their intent not to travel to France at this time !!!
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"It has been said on 'The Full 80 Minutes' that John Kear (Bradford) & Mick Hogan (Newcastle) have stated their intent not to travel to France at this time !!!'"
I imagine that Newcastle are "big spenders", do Bradford fall into the same category ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I imagine that Newcastle are "big spenders", do Bradford fall into the same category ?'"
Not sure what “big spenders” means but the only full time clubs in the championship are Toulouse and London.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"They could but they have to be fitted in somewhere. Say half of their remaining home games are postponed before travel restrictions are lifted that’s six games to fit in somewhere. Or they lose all of them and plan to re-arrange over here at a neutral venue that’s 10 games to re-arrange.
It would have been better nominating a neutral venue and playing there until travel restrictions are lifted.'"
They are abiding by the current rules of the RFL. They could end up playing 3 games a week at a neutral ground. That’s been done before with CC back log of fixtures.
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| Quote ="atomic"They are abiding by the current rules of the RFL. They could end up playing 3 games a week at a neutral ground. That’s been done before with CC back log of fixtures.'"
Yeah I know they are but how do you fit all that in?
I genuinely hope it doesn’t come to that but I can’t see anything other than Toulouse forfeiting a play off place or completing enough games but missing out on the top two on points percentage owing to playing more games away than at home. Either way it’s not a level playing field.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Yeah I know they are but how do you fit all that in?
I genuinely hope it doesn’t come to that but I can’t see anything other than Toulouse forfeiting a play off place or completing enough games but missing out on the top two on points percentage owing to playing more games away than at home. Either way it’s not a level playing field.'"
They will play 3 games a week. Once the rescheduling can no further be added to.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"It has been said on 'The Full 80 Minutes' that John Kear (Bradford) & Mick Hogan (Newcastle) have stated their intent not to travel to France at this time !!!'"
Why would they? Toulouse is their main competition for promotion to SL, if Toulouse don’t fulfil a minimum of 16 fixtures, then they won’t qualify for the playoffs. This is a stitch up to prevent a none uk team gaining promotion.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Whoa steady, they are far more an Anglo-Aussie team.........Try the French Elite league, you will find real French teams there....'"
Steady yourself, as I'm not getting sucked into your repetitive arguments about teams outside of England, that have derailed enough threads already. For the removal of doubt "French Team" comment simply made on geographical location. Kindly make a sensible and relevant comment when replying to my post, rather than jump to a conclusion, because I typed the word "French".
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Quote ="Donnyman"Whoa steady, they are far more an Anglo-Aussie team.........Try the French Elite league, you will find real French teams there....'"
May need to go down to amateur level,the Conference community clubs leagues for sides containing all English,M62 players.
Looks like those pesky French are providing for young French players
https://youtu.be/gaJ9-4H2ZI8
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May need to go down to amateur level,the Conference community clubs leagues for sides containing all English,M62 players.
Looks like those pesky French are providing for young French players
https://youtu.be/gaJ9-4H2ZI8
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Why would they? Toulouse is their main competition for promotion to SL, if Toulouse don’t fulfil a minimum of 16 fixtures, then they won’t qualify for the playoffs. This is a stitch up to prevent a none uk team gaining promotion.'"
Jesus wept
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| If they didn't play enough matches but had enough wins so the percentage would be high enough if the unplayed were lost would they not qualify. Thought I'd read that somewhere but could be spouting bull agaib
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Jesus wept
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It’s like taking a horse to water.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Why would they? Toulouse is their main competition for promotion to SL, if Toulouse don’t fulfil a minimum of 16 fixtures, then they won’t qualify for the playoffs. This is a stitch up to prevent a none uk team gaining promotion.'"
Is that question for me ? I didn't say they should.
Toulouse are currently being awarded 20 - 0 or 24 - 0 whitewash wins for refusal to play in France, therefore those will count as played & won, Toulouse will benefit from the awards not suffer.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded" I'm not getting sucked into your repetitive arguments about teams outside of England, that have derailed enough threads already. .'"
Well why bother to start an argument then? The only thing that would be derailed is Superleague if the "expansionists" manage to blow the SKY deal. Perhaps you can turn your fire on far more repetitive duff arguments about how replacing English clubs with overseas clubs will take the game forward and "expand it"?
Or maybe you want to censor me because you don't have any counter argument yourself? Anyway up to you if you want to get sucked into a Fantasy Euro league.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Well why bother to start an argument then? The only thing that would be derailed is Superleague if the "expansionists" manage to blow the SKY deal. Perhaps you can turn your fire on far more repetitive duff arguments about how replacing English clubs with overseas clubs will take the game forward and "expand it"?
Or maybe you want to censor me because you don't have any counter argument yourself? Anyway up to you if you want to get sucked into a Fantasy Euro league.'"
How often have you rolled this one out and yet, there was a sky deal with both Toronto and Catalan in SL (2 non English clubs).
At the risk of "doing another lap", Sky are bothered primarily about filling their channels and selling advertising.
If they really want to increase their subscriptions, perhaps they could find a way to prevent so many UK viewers from getting their stream from "abroad". This would increase their subscriptions way more than promoting Fev or Halifax.
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There was a sky deal with both Toronto and Catalan in SL (2 non English clubs).
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Leaving the SKY requirement for at least 10 English clubs unbroken. SKY did not want to prevent the game expanding.
The only problem here was Toronto expanded nothing and Catalans merely shipped in an Anglo Aussie side whilst the French game continued to contract.
No TV deals came in either.
I don't think SKY are naive enough to believe either TWP or Catalans were in the end ever expansion. This is where you and SKY differ
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Is that question for me ? I didn't say they should.
Toulouse are currently being awarded 20 - 0 or 24 - 0 whitewash wins for refusal to play in France, therefore those will count as played & won, Toulouse will benefit from the awards not suffer.'"
If I’m wrong, then I don’t mind being corrected, but my understanding is, U.K. teams which have part time players, don’t have to travel to France due to travel restrictions, A team must complete a minimum of 16 games to qualify for the promotion playoffs. At this time, there is no way of knowing when part time teams will be allowed to travel to France, possibly not before the season ends, There are only 13 home games, how can Toulouse qualify for promotion on the 16 game rule if their main competitors refuse to travel to France. I know the RFL made the rules, and in fairness you can’t blame clubs for exploiting such a silly rule,
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Leaving the SKY requirement for at least 10 English clubs unbroken. SKY did not want to prevent the game expanding.
The only problem here was Toronto expanded nothing and Catalans merely shipped in an Anglo Aussie side whilst the French game continued to contract.
No TV deals came in either.
I don't think SKY are naive enough to believe either TWP or Catalans were in the end ever expansion. This is where you and SKY differ
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There was me thinking Sky aren't the least bit interested in how the sport expands or contracts.
There was me thinking they started off in the 90's when Paris were parachuted into the elitist breakaway league.
There was me thinking Sky gladly remained silent and showed Catalans for many years - and showed Toronto.
Now I learn Sky are happy to show 10 English clubs and are not against the sport expanding.
It's an education on here.
Seems Toulouse are expanding in stadium capacity with a new stadium deal...
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"If I’m wrong, then I don’t mind being corrected, but my understanding is, U.K. teams which have part time players, don’t have to travel to France due to travel restrictions, A team must complete a minimum of 16 games to qualify for the promotion playoffs. At this time, there is no way of knowing when part time teams will be allowed to travel to France, possibly not before the season ends, There are only 13 home games, how can Toulouse qualify for promotion on the 16 game rule if their main competitors refuse to travel to France. I know the RFL made the rules, and in fairness you can’t blame clubs for exploiting such a silly rule,'"
I could also be wrong, the way I have interpreted what has been read or said is that Toulouse will be awarded a win for any home game that is not played when the away team refuse to travel, if that is correct & no home games are played in France then they will be guaranteed a 100% home win record. Toulouse can't afford to decamp to England & play all their home games here (source - the Full 80 minutes).
Hopefully the French debacle is over soon & Toulouse get to play over here, they often play a good brand of rugby.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"I could also be wrong, the way I have interpreted what has been read or said is that Toulouse will be awarded a win for any home game that is not played when the away team refuse to travel, if that is correct & no home games are played in France then they will be guaranteed a 100% home win record. Toulouse can't afford to decamp to England & play all their home games here (source - the Full 80 minutes).
Hopefully the French debacle is over soon & Toulouse get to play over here, they often play a good brand of rugby.'"
It’s only been discussed for about five pages. Toulouse were awarded a 24 point home victory over London when they refused to travel as they are a full time team and were obliged under the operational rules to go. London will also face a punishment - probably a fine from the RFL.
The games against Widnes and Featherstone are being postponed as part time clubs are not obliged to travel and in fact probably wouldn’t be able to field a team as players couldn’t afford to take time off their other jobs to isolate.
They have another 8 home games (excluding those above) all against part time sides which creates a massive headache. This is where the win percentage requirement comes from as they are likely to lose more and may not be able to re-arrange them all. However, for a club to qualify for the play offs they have to complete 70% of fixtures ie. 16 matches. If no team travels to Toulouse due to COVID travel restrictions they end the season on 12 games (11 away games plus 1 home game awarded because London didn’t travel) irrespective of their win percentage they would need to re-arrange at least 4 of the postponed hole games.
Hopefully travel restrictions are lifted sooner rather than later.
EDIT: only the Widnes and Featherstone games count as postponed the others won’t count if restrictions aren’t lifted.
So yeah if no one goes Toulouse can qualify for the play offs but they have to win their away games.
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