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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Bang on the money, I said in game Thaler was hammering Toronto and that Goodwin should have gone for the neck throw. Dixon is being grappled round his neck from behind and squared up from the front, you think he's going to continue to allow himself to be physically harmed by Goodwin strangling him.
That Hill incident was a disgrace, he should have being walked for that alone.
Basically Thaler lost all sense of perspective if he even had it to start with and was as bent as a 9 bob note, not fit to officiate kids, the Toronto captain was correct, it's a two way street and Thaler was simply offloading his anger and failed to be a professional in what he was doing.
The RFL have let down the sport for far too long, something needs to be done because they are allowing the game to devolve into a farce, the officials get the hump with one team and lose their poop with them and at the same time it's oft down to their inability to be consistent to start with.
Hardly surprising more than half a dozen refs have left the sport in the last few years, Silverwood was right in his radio/twiter comments.'"
Talking about the hill incident, you seem to have conveniently ignored that fact someone grabbed hold of hill's head guard fingers dug in, and pulled his head and neck way back during the hand bags, i'm not surprised he was livid and whoever it was will likely get a warning from the disciplinary this week.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Talking about the hill incident, you seem to have conveniently ignored that fact someone grabbed hold of hill's head guard fingers dug in, and pulled his head and neck way back during the hand bags, i'm not surprised he was livid and whoever it was will likely get a warning from the disciplinary this week.'"
It's safe to say the panel will be busy this week!
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| What an absolute embarrassment to the sport Toronto showed to be yesterday. I would say amateurish but I think most amateurs have more respect for the officials than the likes of Mcrone.
Knockersbump is easily the worst poster on this forum, just ask 99% of the FC board.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"What an absolute embarrassment to the sport Toronto showed to be yesterday. I would say amateurish but I think most amateurs have more respect for the officials than the likes of Mcrone.
Knockersbump is easily the worst poster on this forum, just ask 99% of the FC board.'"
On the back of your comment HV, take a look at the thread i created earlier about posters... I'd happily add Knockersbump to the list of users/posters that I don't like.
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| Quote ="Trinity18"On the back of your comment HV, take a look at the thread i created earlier about posters... I'd happily add Knockersbump to the list of users/posters that I don't like.'" Oh please do it
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"icon_lol.gif Oh please do it
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Please check the latest comment on the thread for confirmation.
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| I was really impressed with Toronto’S first 20 minutes, throwing the ball around and showing controlled aggression. The problem was they lost control. And anyone blaming Goodwin for protecting a young player is deluded. I’ve even seen Saints fans allege that Goodwin punched Dixon from behind. It seems to be overlooked that Dixon pushed his head into Livett before punching him.
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Delusional. Dixon dropped with a shoulder on Livett in the tackle and they both squared up, Dixon punched Livett and Goodwin broke it up. Goodwin did nothing wrong. No card would've been given to anyone if Dixon kept his fist out of Livett's face and if Toronto played rugby instead of being aggressive poophouses.'"
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| I'm just watching the highlights back, mccrone was lucky not to walk after the red card was issued, thaler had to try and keep a lid on him at that point, which was then followed up after charnley scored, he was in his face still banging on about the third man in when dixon started the melee(which he did with the heavy hit and then shoving harvey's face as he played the ball)
I don't think you can have any sympathy for McCrone whatsoever.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"I don't think you can have any sympathy for McCrone whatsoever.'"
None at all - his response to Thaler was like a petulant teenager arguing with a teacher; pathetic from a so-called pro.
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| IMO Toronto didn't behave any differently to what they've been behaving all season. Difference, refs in the Championship have been told to turn a blind eye. When they came up against a SL side and a SL ref they obviously resented no longer being able to get away with the same behaviour they've produced all season so fac.
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| Quote ="majorhound"IMO Toronto didn't behave any differently to what they've been behaving all season. Difference, refs in the Championship have been told to turn a blind eye. When they came up against a SL side and a SL ref they obviously resented no longer being able to get away with the same behaviour they've produced all season so fac.'"
That's a very serious allegation that you have made there majorhound, care to back that up with any proof?
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| Quote ="bren2k"None at all - his response to Thaler was like a petulant teenager arguing with a teacher; pathetic from a so-called pro.'"
He was either plain stupid or arrogant and perhaps thought that Thaler wouldn't reach for a card.
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| Quote ="Trinity18"That's a very serious allegation that you have made there majorhound, care to back that up with any proof?'"
I've no proof at all, just what I see. And of course past experience with Celtic Crusaders.
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| Quote ="majorhound"IMO Toronto didn't behave any differently to what they've been behaving all season. Difference, refs in the Championship have been told to turn a blind eye. When they came up against a SL side and a SL ref they obviously resented no longer being able to get away with the same behaviour they've produced all season so fac.'"
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| Quote ="majorhound"Difference, refs in the Championship have been told to turn a blind eye.'"
Interesting and absolute farcical claim. Toronto had Robert Hicks in the middle for their match with Dewsbury......so they've already had a SL referee and an award winning one at that!
Rowley coached sides always try to bully teams.....it's nowt new and if they go up he'll be replaced by an Aussie coach or they'll be straight back down, but referees being instructed to turn a blind eye is fantasy level stuff
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Serious questions need to be asked at the end of the season about the refereeing as there are so many inconsistencies and too many times when referees are influencing games.'"
Serious questions need to be asked about those people who are placing the blame on the ref and Warrington for that game and whether they should be allowed to even watch another game of RL.
Either have to be trolling, extremely pro Toronto or very anti Warrington. The poster trying to make something out of Goodwin separating a fight into some sort of vicious attack on the neck is one of the most embarrassing POV's of an incident I've ever heard.
As for Thaler, I felt for the guy. You could see he didn't want to have to keep blowing his whistle continuously but Toronto left him no choice and you could see how frustrated he was. Anybody who thought he did bad or was to blame really are delusional.
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Either have to be trolling, extremely pro Toronto or very anti Warrington.'"
Probably a combination of all three.
What the wire game did show us is that none, not one of that Wolfpack team will be required if/when they hit Superleague.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Toronto didn't cover themselves in glory today, but neither did Ben Thaler. There was a lot of talk about referees 'losing control' after the Featherstone and Hull game and I think today again you saw a referee out of his depth. The first half hour was atrocious from a discipline perspective. Toronto came with a gameplan to be rough and tough and throw it around and see what happened. Warrington were just as aggressive and if anything worse from a disciplinary perspective up to the incident under the sticks. How many hair pulls were there on Kaye and Simms before that? Three or four at least and there were countless flops and swinging arms on tackled players, ridiculous sledging and chest-beating and Thaler did very little about it.
Then the incident under the post happens. There were a few punches thrown in that as well, just too many bodies around for them to connect. Thaler clearly got really flustered by that and for me the game turned, not on the red card, but on what Thaler did then. He broke it up and tells Hill to take his players back to the half way line and he'll talk to him then. Hill makes a flippant comment, brushes past him and starts it again, sledging and pushing and shoving. If anyone is talking about pub league rugby and pub league behaviour, that was it. What does Thaler do? Absolutely nothing, not a thing, just tells him really nervously not to do it again, which again is met with a flippant comment and backchat.
Fast forward to the yellow, just ridiculously harsh. No malice in that at all, Thaler all riled up against Toronto for some reason. The red comes up and Thaler is itching to send him off, cannot wait. That whole incident was ridiculous. The Warrington player has no right to kick it off after the play the ball, initial penalty should be Toronto's. They square up, Warrington player takes a huge risk and butts head with him. The punch was the weakest, feeblest connection there has ever been and it's now a red? For me that sets a huge precedent now, ANY punch is now an automatic red card, because he was being held by two men and it was no more than a slight push to the face. Red card is given and a string of penalties go Warrington's way. All penalties you could give technically, but absolutely none of them had any context in the game, they weren't gaining an advantage from it, he was just punishing any slight indiscretion because he had a major bag on about Toronto. He was ignoring the same minor indiscretions from Warrington. It was unprofessional and embarrassing from him as much as the Toronto team.
McCrone as Captain is entitled to question the referee. Nothing he said was anywhere near as disrespectful as what Hill said or did. All he said was it's a two way street, you've given us nothing and you're not treating us with respect. All completely true. Thaler was like my Mum when I was 6 there, unwilling to talk like an adult should, just sent me to my room without listening to anything, hiding behind the sanctity of being my Mum. I'm all for ref's being respected, but they've got to keep their side of the bargain.
At the end of the day Warrington were going to have the quality to win that game. Thaler, whether in panic or determination not to have another Fev v Hull 'on his watch' was deliberately refereeing one side differently to the other. Serious questions need to be asked at the end of the season about the refereeing as there are so many inconsistencies and too many times when referees are influencing games.'"
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| Saddened! is either an expansion lover, or dislikes Warrington. Amazing long post, full of drivel.
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| Conviently timed, the RFL are advertising a referee's course. I wonder if the many closet match officials on here would be willing to take up the whistle?
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| Quote ="Willzay"Conviently timed, the RFL are advertising a referee's course. I wonder if the many closet match officials on here would be willing to take up the whistle?'"
Given what we know they only want people to toe the party line, they aren't interested in change, they can't/won't accept that how they are doing things is not just badly managed but is having a massively detrimental effect on the game as a whole not just individual results.
If you think that if some people on here apply and stick through the garbage of getting through the ranks (as storied on here a couple of years ago) will change anything you're sadly mistaken.
It not only needs investment, it needs professionals, something that Ganson et al are not, that and a complete shake down in how the RFL approaches how the sport is officiated because currently there is so much wrong in how that is done that no individual will make a jot of difference.
They don't even understand the basics of human psychology and why most human beings tasked with winning and as a part of that physically and mentally beating their opposition will behave to do so.
They cannot grasp how you deal with this, they fail to look back as to why officials back in the old days were able to control certain aspects massively better. Yes there are some aspects that have improved but the overall is far far worse.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Interesting and absolute farcical claim. Toronto had Robert Hicks in the middle for their match with Dewsbury......so they've already had a SL referee and an award winning one at that!
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What award has he won? Worst ref ever? Thaler is a proper, decent RL ref. IMO the only one we've got.
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| Quote ="majorhound"What award has he won? Worst ref ever? Thaler is a proper, decent RL ref. IMO the only one we've got.'"
Bentham wasn't bad, but now that I think about it...has Bentham actually reffed a game since that collision with Houston?
I know he's been a video ref plenty of times since then but I can't ever remember seeing him on the pitch reffing?
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| Quote ="majorhound"What award has he won? Worst ref ever? Thaler is a proper, decent RL ref. IMO the only one we've got.'"
I agree, Thaler is the only decent ref out of the bunch.
Kendal and Childs are well below par. Hicks and Hewer are not as bad, but still no where near consistent enough.
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