As you'll know, the proportion of Leeds fans who will think Noble is an inadequate international coach far exceeds the proportion at all other Rugby League clubs for reasons already alluded to.

I am not being precious.You suggested a part time coach,who has left this country to improve his coaching/further his coaching education at a NRL club would be better than a part time coach currently in this country who have achieved more success at clubs in this country than McNamara has achieved.I disagreed.

Dr Koukash saved the future of Salford.He was not fully conversant with each and every nuance of the governing body.
It would also seem he may now differ in opinion from the owner of St Helens,who first invited him to a game.

Everyone in this country is allowed an opinion.
He keeps expressing his,and each time he wins more supporters.
More than your posts have done.

I personally can see why the governing body decided to leave clubs out of the negotiation process for the new deal. The fact is that half the clubs (those with money issues) would be taking the first deal they could get that included a sweetener to alleviate immediate cash flow issues whilst the richer clubs would be happy to hold out for an improved deal. It would have been carnage!

Yes its a long deal, and yes the RFL could have held back until we were nearing the end of the current contract, but who's to say that the bargaining position would have improved. What happens if the new format is a flop and viewing figures tumble? how marketable would the game have been in that instance. The fact is we have a deal that pays more than any the game has ever had. We as supporters are guaranteed more televised games than ever before and the clubs get more revenue than they've ever had.

I would much rather the money was in the bank than gamble on being in a better position in the future. Ultimately, in a period where the games league structure is going through a massive change, we have a deal that will cover its infancy and any unforeseen issues.

As regards the good Dr, he reminds me a little of the Allams at Hull City. Happy to shout off, less happy to hear other peoples opinions. I find his comparisons of the TV deal to bedding women just Crass and class less.

I do agree that the salary cap needs increasing though. The only down side to that is that it won't just be the top players that want a pay rise, every plodder will see the extra cash and want a slice. Before you know it we're in a position similar to football where un-extraordinary players are on silly money. I think having 1 or 2 players being paid outside the cap (other than home grown or union converts) is the best way to go. Being able to pay someone like billy slater silly money off cap would be a huge draw.

What do Lenegan and Koukash know about business? We're much better off in the safe hands of the great Nigel Wood with his vast track record of success.

Indeed. Pretty much everyone wants RL to grow, but a very large number of people want that growth to happen on ridiculous and totally delusional terms (equal competition, low player wages, no mouthy owners, everyone playing nicely all the time). Cloud cuckoo land.

The attempted coup has failed, hence the recent outpourings of grief.

GH... erm... I mean Nigel Wood by plenty.

Like I said just now... GH... erm... I mean Nigel Wood by plenty.

...except when it differs to your own or your barmey Chairman's it seems.

And isn't this interesting....



Which differs a bit to some of the bile we've read over the last day or three. Seems like Dr Allcash and the perennial whingers didn't get their own way last week and have proceeded to stamp their feet ever since.

You're not keeping up !
Dr Koukash was the only one who refused to accept the tv deal/voted against it.
Lenagan voted for it but has gone public on his doubts.
Hudgell felt rushed and hopes for the best.

Dr Koukash does NOT believe even with the tv sweetener that there is any realistic possibility of a Championship club being promoted.

Mark Aston at Sheffield feels similar.

I don't know how any,other than Koukash feel about your choice of national coach.

No, Dr Allcash isn't keeping up and it looks like you missed it to. The club's voted to vote on it, he was outvoted.

So to go whinging to all and sundry because he didn't get his own way just shows him up to be, well, a whinging, foot stamping, dummy spitter. I give it 12 months before he takes his ball home.

Well,yes,I know which way the vote went.

I suppose you will support Barwick,after all he was responsible for the 'Wally With The Brolly',in the round ball game,at national level and you have shown your support for McNamara.

Barwick only seems to appear after criticism - the last time when the Yorkshire Post and RLE printed their disappointment.

Some suggest Barwick,with his 'book of contacts' would be good for the sport,and his experience in television invaluable.

The paper and upholder of left wing views was just a little scathing on that score - [url=http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/05/brian-barwick-faAs Long As He Leaves The Sport Better Than He Found it[/url

I'm not supporting anyone and I think i've said 3 maybe 4 times in this thread that i'm no McNamara fan, but if it makes you feel better to make stuff up then go for it.

As for supporting Barwick, you're making stuff up again. I just quoted from the statement he made earlier today which kind of contradicts some of what the foot stampers have come out with.

Bless.

So does that mean that the RFL did not press gang the clubs into a vote. But actually the clubs voted (decided) to vote on it.

Again all this lets throw it at the RFL's door, does miss the elephant in the room that the RFL can't force anything through. The clubs have the say.

God knows how some of these would cope in a true franchise like the NFL, where there is far more central control

Virtual Tourettes?

They voted to vote on it, then voted to accept it...including Koukash and Lenighan!

Then they bleat!

Incorrect.

Dr Koukash's argument (and that of Ian Lenagan, it seems) is that the clubs were only given 24 hours to consider the deal, so to that extent I would argue that there [iwas[/i an element of 'press-ganging' going on. If the clubs had voted not to vote (just...[ibizarre[/i - I wonder if they've ever voted about voting about voting), what would have been left? So, if not 'press-ganging', there seems to have been an element of 'gun to the head' at least.


Dr Koukash voted against the deal.

No, you misunderstand.

It's a democratic process....they had their vote...and the decision was to accept.

Lenighan voted FOR the deal.

They all had the option to vote against it

Twice

Wibble.

I know Lenagan voted for it. That's why I specifically said [iDr Koukash[/i voted against it. And having voted against it, he's gone on to give his reasons. Quite forcefully.

I can't see what's wrong with that.

There's a difference between giving his reasons for voting against it and calling the rfl incompetent for the deal (paraphrase) - has he actually sat down and logically spoke through his concerns and problems with the deal? Or is it the mishmash of thoughts that seem borderline maniac including everything from the England coach to the first time he had sex? He seems to think the game has far higher value than this deal, where as I think we all know, under whatever circumstances they've come under, on the face of it, 40million a year is the best deal we've done in a long time.

As has been shown, it was the clubs, not the rfl who voted for this deal, and unless koukash thinks he's bigger than the rest of the league out together, he should accept a democratic ruling with a bit more grace imo. Him and lenaghan have gone on a smear campaign against this deal, which was even pretty unanimously agreed even on here for a while before they started. (Though in koukashs defence I think it's for very different reasons)

I'm loving the way the good Doctor is evolving, it wasn't that long ago he was being called Dr. Nocash.