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| Quote ="loiner81"
2012 Round 3 average = 9063.78
2013 Round 3 average (prior to Sunday's games) = 9915.4
That can't be right surely, it's almost 10% higher in 2013.'"
2012 Round 3 average = 63,612/7 = 9,087
2013 Round 3 average = 58,711/7 = 8,387
7.70% lower in 2013
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| What dates were last years rounds played on, and what were the weather conditions and other sporting events on?
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| Quote ="loiner81"Oh dear, still at it after all these years?
2012 Round 3 average = 9063.78
2013 Round 3 average (prior to Sunday's games) = 9915.4
That can't be right surely, it's almost 10% higher in 2013.'"
You're right, it is completely wrong.
See what you've done there is only use attendances to suit your argument. If you now use Sunday games in your calculations you will find that the average gate in round 3 is down around 700 compared to last year.
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| Quote ="Code13"What dates were last years rounds played on, and what were the weather conditions and other sporting events on?'"
Leeds v Salford last year was round 26, 31st August which was a week after challenge cup final appearance for the Rhinos. Most likely a lot better weather then than on Friday.
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| Quote ="Code13"What dates were last years rounds played on, and what were the weather conditions and other sporting events on?'"
Well, the corresponding Harlequins v Wakey match was on 31st March last year & was also on T.V.
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| Was Columbo on at this time last year? I think you'll find he wasn't. Sky Outer channel showing some this year. There's your answer.
Panic over.
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| I think its got something to do with the moons gravitational pull and all these meteors whizzing around.People are frightened of going outdoors.
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| Whatever the context, I don't think there is anything wrong with fans expressing their concerns at those figures. They are what they are, and they aren't great.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Whatever the context, I don't think there is anything wrong with fans expressing their concerns at those figures. They are what they are, and they aren't great.'"
Exactly
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| Expressing concerns is fine
this isnt what is happening here
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| cant really compare round 2 or round 3 to last year as this year they both have 7 matches.
Round 2 in 2012 Catalans game called off and played 14-07-12
Round 3 in 2012 Leeds played World Club Challenege didnt play their rnd 3 fixture until sunny warm weather on 18-06-12
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| Championship just short of 1,100 this week
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| Would imagine Salford and Saints will see less away fans travelling this year as the new stadium factor wears off.
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| So last seasons figures were being distorted?
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| Quote ="Talent Spotter"Would imagine Salford and Saints will see less away fans travelling this year as the new stadium factor wears off.'"
I can't speak for Salford, but what Saints have seen this year is a ballpark 3000 drop off in attendance at Langtree Park for both their home games so far. Judging by the turnout from Hull fans on Friday night, for example, that drop off is by Saints fans, and not away fans. And the turnout from Hudds was pretty decent too.
Our turnout at Widnes was lower than the corresponding fixture last year also, so our away support has also dropped.
In rounds 1 and 3, approx 3000 of the drop off can be accounted for at one club: Saints.
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| Quote ="William Eve"[uSL Round 3 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u
Leeds V Salford in 2013 = 12,558
Leeds V Salford in 2012 = 15,081
Percentage drop in attendance = -16.73%
St Helens V Hull in 2013 = 11,257
St Helens V Hull in 2012 = 14,875
Percentage drop in attendance = -24.32%
Warrington V Catalan in 2013 = 10,015
Warrington V Catalan in 2012 = 10,570
Percentage drop in attendance = -5.25%
Huddersfield V Wigan in 2013 = 8,023
Huddersfield V Wigan in 2012 = 10,123
Percentage drop in attendance = -20.74%
Bradford V Castleford in 2013 = 7,724
Bradford V Castleford in 2012 = 10,906
Percentage drop in attendance = -29.18%
Hull KR V Widnes in 2013 = 7,247
Hull KR V Widnes in 2012 = 7,423
Percentage drop in attendance = -2.37%
London V Wakefield in 2013 = 1,887
London V Wakefield in 2012 = 2,268
Percentage drop in attendance = -16.80%
Total Attendance in SL Round 3 = 58,711
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 71,246
Percentage drop in attendance = -17.59%
Every SL fixture in Round 3 this year has shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.
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Out of 21 SL fixtures played thus far in 2013, 6 out of 21 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixture last year. 15 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixture last year.
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[uComparative attendances by SL Round[/u
Round 1 Attendance in SL 2013 = 64,387
Round 1 Attendance in SL 2012 = 73,720
Percentage drop in attendance = -12.66%
Round 2 Attendance in SL 2013 = 69,809
Round 2 Attendance in SL 2012 = 74,948
Percentage drop in attendance = -6.86%
Round 3 Attendance in SL 2013 = 58,711
Round 3 Attendance in SL 2012 = 63,612
Percentage drop in attendance = -7.70%'"
Good work, keep it up!
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| Quote ="Mark_W"You're right, it is completely wrong.
See what you've done there is only use attendances to suit your argument. If you now use Sunday games in your calculations you will find that the average gate in round 3 is down around 700 compared to last year.'"
Well spotted but i think the fact i posted in the early hours of Sunday morning BEFORE Sunday's games were played might have something to do with that one.
Just wish i'd checked on who was playing today first (ie. London at home) and i might not have bothered
London were away at Hull in round 3 last year with over 10,000 in attendance compared to being at home today where just over 1000 bothered turning up. Take them out of the equation in 2012/2013 and crowds are well up.
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| Quote ="William Eve"2012 Round 3 average = 63,612/7 = 9,087
2013 Round 3 average = 58,711/7 = 8,387
7.70% lower in 2013
HTH'"
These stats are pointless until London have played away more than once plus their only away game so far was at bloody Huddersfield with only 5000 in attendance. Last year in rounds 2 & 3 they had away games at Wire & Hull with over 10k at each.
I bet if we discard London from both 2012/2013 the averages are actually up.
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| It's always London's fault. Thankfully they are the keystone in the arch of the Sky deal so that counterbalances any stick they get over attendances. I still think dont't think the Columbo schedule helps.
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| Nor do my fat fingers on the iPhone
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| I think really it has to do with how the fixtures fall and you also have to consider teams chances and hopes for the season as well as form. For example Saints got 600 less this week at home vs Hull than they did vs Hull KR in 2009. But then Saints started 2009 with wins over Wire and Hudds, in 2013 they got smashed by Hudds and limped past Widnes.
...........ROUND 2............ROUND 3.............TOTAL
2013 = 69,809 (2nd).......58,711 (5th).......128,520 (2nd)
2012 = 74,948 (1st)........63,612 (3rd).......138,560 (1st)
2011 = 59,947 (4th).......64,312 (2nd).......124,259 (3rd)
2010 = 60,217 (3rd).......59,625 (4th).......119,842 (5th)
2009 = 54,949 (5th).......65,429 (1st).......120,378 (4th)
Since we've gone back to 14 teams then 2009's Round 2 was the lowest attended, yet 2009 also had the highest Round 3 total. This years Round 2 might not have beaten last years but it was still comfortably higher than 2009-2011.
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| [uRound 1 Fixtures[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,387 (Avg: 9,19icon_cool.gif
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,376 (Avg: 9,054)
% increase = +1.59%
[uRound 2 Fixtures[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease = -3.03%
[uRound 3 Fixtures[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,17icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -17.59%
[uRounds 1 to 3 Fixtures[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 192,907 (Avg: 9,186)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 206,611 (Avg: 9,839)
% decrease = -6.63%
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| On more positive news, tickets look to be selling very well for the WC. Think it could be a success.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"On more positive news, tickets look to be selling very well for the WC. Think it could be a success.'"
Hope so, a lot rides on the WC this year.
Where did you get the numbers from?
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