That isn't value to SL is it then, its value to a teams coffers for a tiny proportion of their overall income during the season.

2,000 is an unrealistic figure. The tiniest amount of income that would bring to the clubs, is nothing compared to the loss of sponsors and TV income that would be lost to the game, if it was solely M62.

What?!!

It was embarrassing - they outnumbered us by 2-1 on our own ground, what the hell would I make this up?!

Still not having it. Keighley struggled to get more than 5000 at home, never mind 2000 away.

No they wouldn't.

It was Good Friday (traditionally a good day for crowds)
Keighley needed to win to make sure of the Second Division title (IIRC)

Honestly, they filled a large part of our East Stand, like I said there's no reason for me to lie about it.

OK well you didn't mention it was Good Friday or paint that scenario, I suppose that is semi-feasible.

Oh yeah I forgot those details....

Stunned.....a RL paper paints London RL in a positive light and the HKA Massive are all over it like a rash



Some highlights so far;

still waiting for the proof of these payments...

Unlike East Hull eh...teeming with young local lads that team of yours.



Where would this million come from? No London club in SL...no uncle rupert paying pocket money...

why? Because our attendances are worse than they were as the Broncos? They aren't! Because we went bust as the Broncos, but are debt free as Quins RL? Because as the Broncos we were not regularly mistaken for an american football team....


There is no evidence that where we are, what we are called or who we ground share with makes any difference to the success of the club.
Failure to market itself on the other hand is patently obvious



and the other bloke who ran in 4 tries in an England shirt....we had a player in the England 4 nations Squad...hot many did HKA or Wakey have...the've been around a lot longer than us......Oh, by the way Katie.....50 posts and you still believe what you read on these boards...you'll fit in nicely

Did people used to mistake London Broncos for an American football team?

One question.


Why?

Just doesn't make sense - American football teams tend to draw crowds.

That was going to be my next line

Because the club failed miserably to market themselves.

Really.....The Monarchs went well for a while.......but then they went, as did the rest of that league....

you 2 are just like abbot and costello except without the funny bits



PHIPPS.....If you assertain that Harlequins standard of RL is too bad for you to contemplate actually attending a game and roofs, if your principles continue to prevent you from venturing any farther south than the other side of the Humber bridge why don't you stop posting on a subject which neither of you know anything?
F()ckin' trolls

to be fair tho' not many Londoners know much about the Quins ! the publicity & marketing strategies seem abysmal according to my mates in the south

plus,it costs money to cross the Humber Bridge and we all know about Yorkshiremen & short arms !

That's why the M18 was built, to avoid the tolls!

Myth 5: There would have been no SL without London
Myth 6: There would be less sponsorship in SL without Quins

Number 6 is a myth because.....?? You obviously don't know much about sports marketing from either side of the fence. Sky have made it fairly clear that Quins are important to their valuation of RL in England - just as they (under the Foxtel brand) have overtly done with the Melbourne Storm. Sky aren't doing that because they care about RL - they do it because it adds to their revenue from advertisers. Those very same advertisers being businesses that may choose to sponsor individual teams or the sport as a whole.

TBH if I had money to throw at anything in SL, it would be on promotion and marketing in London - starting with all the junior clubs. I'd rather focus on building support in kids who may stick with the game than try to tempt a few people to a game who may go for a bit of a novelty.

are they myths because you want them to be or because you can prove they are?

Myth 5 would seem a strange one.......I mean SKY would have objected to not having the best 12 teams in the league wouldn't they.....surely they'd want the best teams on TV? London weren't one of the best 12 teams.......neither were PSG......surely Rupert would have noticed this


Myth 6......who ever said that sponsors would leave? I think and most other sane people think that SKY TV, the broadcast partner would reduce their investment considerably, but I am sure sporting bet would still sponsor your club.....just as long as your games were being shown on SKY TV

Sky probably foolishly thought that people in London would have been interested in following a RL team, the old build it and they will come mentality. If the Broncos hadn't been willing to back london would Sky have pulled the plug on the whole SL concept if London weren;t in a position to enter (which arguably they weren't and still aren't)? Of course not English SL was predominantly a means to an endl for News Ltd to get its hands on Australian RL. If anyone can give me a direct quote from a Sky representative that says " we pay more money becasue there is a London team in Sl" then i am more than happy to bust the myth.

If I am a sponsor do you really think I am going to get excited by 3,000 fans turning up for a game in London? Again if there was a proveable direct correlation between Quins and TV viewers in the South (ie when Quins are on Sky do the ratings in the South go up massively compared to when two Northern teams are on?) then again the myth will be busted.

I await some evidence that debunks either myth or the ones previously mentioned.

Firstly.....BSKYB didn't use ESL to get at Australian RL. WTF

Murdoch is used to getting what he wants...but if it makes you feel better by saying a northern pastime was the gateway to the second largest sport 12,000 miles away, so be it.

Next up and the Irony isn't lost on me, we have gone from "London will never be relegated...SKY wont let them" to 'london weren't and aren't key to the SKY deal"




Try this on......in 2005, when we went to the wall, we could have been ejected from SL there and then. There were no rules in place to do this, but we would have had no money to fight this.....BUT, instead the ESL chairmen voted to not only let us stay in, but also keep all our points. Leigh and Widnes didn't vote against us....even though they could have saved their skins> Why would that be? Would it maybe have something to do with Mr Wood telling all present that without London, the SKY money wouldn't be there?

Sponsorship? I never said it would dry up....but I still say SKY would pay less for ESL with no london...and it would seem that the other ESL chairmane and the RFL agree

It appears that the London Evening Standard is FINALLY getting behind the Quins so hopefully that'll be of some benefit.

JB Down Under is obviously far more knowledgeable and shrewd than the executives/investors of the most powerful and successful broadcaster in the UK.

Clearly!

I'm guessing you weren't following RL in 94-96? That is exactly what they did, by signing up the RFL it became a very fat carrot they dangled in Australias face, the idea of world club challenges , the threat to players that if you wanted to play in Tests you would need to be with SL, join Sl and become famous in China, opportunity to play in World 9's and World cups etc etc. I suggest you Google and educate yourself.

Would be interesting to see what Fulcrubronquins drew these days for a big game like a CC Semi-Final or Final, the turnouts they had in the 90's for such games were appauling IMO.

Wow....just Wow.

There are occassionally some intelligent posts on this thread...but man, some of these posts are just deluded! I won't name name's as all that does is just start/continue a slanging match.

1) Hardly any seats at the Stoop are now uncovered or uncomfortable. But take it a step further...what stadium has very comfortable seats? Its a stadium ffs!! The Stoop is better than quite a lot of the stadiums (inc QPR, Brentford etc) in London.

2) People watch the game in London - maybe they don't go to the Stoop (which is an issue admittedly), but anyone in London (born and bred) following SL would probably have at least an eye on Quins results etc.

3) Lets give this season a chance shall we? New CEO, will be new marketing staff involved....sunny weather has only just arrived - which will entice more people outside! I know for their next match they are giving away 5000 tickets in the Evening Standard and linked on money saving websites. Incase people didn't realise London is a large City...when its pi33ing down with rain and cold there are other things to do other than go to rugby matches!

The sad thing is that people on this site will have gone once or twice to the Quins and not enjoyed it and aren't willing to go again...full stop...get the blinkers out...do all you can to slap it down. You people are just bores...end of!

If there was no Quins (London) side in SL....RL wouldn't have/be cracking the London sports market...people wouldn't watch it in the south nearly as much....viewing figures would fall....Sky wouldn't spend half the money bothering with it....the so called big teams and RFL would lose money....their progress would halt...RL would shrink back to factory towns....only a combined amount of about 200k people would watch the game....playing figures would drop....more top class players would defect to RU.....England would be even further behind Aus and NZ.....

All this would equal those whinging now about London RL failing to eat their hats and realise their team would take a big step backwards as a result.

Hope that's not too ranty....lack of sleep, forced to work in an office during the sunshine etc...