So come on then, for the last time PROOF, stop making yourself look like an idiot. How can we deny something that only happened in YOUR head? Just because you keep saying it - with no PROOF it doesn't mean it happened, does it? Show us some actual evidence, which doesn't exist for that matter, then we would maybe believe you, but alas, no such evidence exists and you just look like a plank making crap up to try make it come off as rules changed for Cas, you sad strange little man.

You clearly have some beef with Cas for whatever reason it is, I don't know but it's clearly on show here and it's making you look like an imbecile.

As for Salford's plans, how long did it take them to get to where they are? Exactly, and who's funded the stadium? Exactly.

Cas have taken half the time it did Salford and doing it all of their own backs, not getting the council, Peel holdings etc etc to pump money into the project.

Are you kidding? The away end is a great view at the Willows, the main stand stretches the full length of the pitch (unlike Cas) and the terracing in the Shed goes much further back than anywhere at Cas.

The Willows is a far better ground than what Wheldon Road is! Any one of our 3 stands puts any of yours to shame.

Well i'm glad my predicted bun fight didn't happen then.

Having just checked, it has less seats and a lower capacity, so how does it have more terracing & seats etc?



The open ends at each ground, the one at Cas is better and the Princess street stand is a LOT better than the Shed



I'll give you the main stand because it runs the full length of the sideline (although it has less seats...) and the large stand behind the sticks is better than the Wheldon road end.

Cas have more seats than Salford? Not a chance. Mind you, the trouble is at both clubs that they're all empty most weeks.

Wasn't Cas allowed to stay in Super League on the fact that they built a new stadium?

So if this is the case as they have yet to start then they are one of the fav's to go down.

Now for years its been all talk from Cas about the ground. It should have been up and running 5 years ago. Yet they are still messing about.

What the RFL said in 2008





It seems to be pretty much a nothing argument to me.

Congrats Widnes. I'm glad Fax are still getting a look in, although I doubt they will be successful. I think it's fairly certain it will be a straight swap for Wakey, but who knows what will happen between now and July.

Congratulations to Widnes, and in particular to O'Connor et al for putting the work into the club and delivering a superb bid. Fully deserved. It was never in doubt because Widnes did all the necessary work.

As for Fax, the RFL have attoned for their silly timetabling of this license renewal by giving their bid the chance to stand up to other SL clubs bids. Time will tell whether they will come in, but they're certainly still in the mix.

Well done Widnes

make the most of this oppotunity.

You were the obvious choice as you complied with everything asked & Red Hall will be delighted as the attendance figures will sky rocket as your fans travel away in numbers that a new team will & home gates will be very healthy also.

Unlucky Fax hope you get the July nod the the same reasons above plus it will shake everything up nicely and make any "still dithering clubs" pull their fingers out, leading to a vibrent SL

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Hope Barrow have learnt enough from this and have the plans laidout to follow for the next round.
PS Can we get a refund on the candles we bought en masse

Apart from the facts that The Willows is in Salford!!!

Brilliant!a discussion about the winners of a new 3 year licence ends in an argument of who has the least shat ground,cas or Salford.love this forum.

and this is different from most other threads in recent memory in which regard?

Good luck to Widnes, As for all the arguments about who is going My thoughts are that no one will go, Fax may get in as Super League expands to 16? I am not basing this on much but I also expect to hear that there will be at least one new championship side (South London storm at a guess) & maybe one french side. It is no secret that the RFL have been asking for bids to join the championship & that they would like to go to two divisions of 12 bteams if it is possible.

Congratulations to Widnes and I kind of hope that Halifax will be in too (although, I am not sure about their finances).

I have no axe to grind with any club currently in Super League, so it will be interesting to see who gets the chop. I wonder what people's reactions would be though if they did get rid of Crusaders? I also wonder if this is something that might have been discussed with the people in charge at Cru. Perhaps, they are looking for ways to reduce the amount needed to invest in the club each year?

The flatcappers would be in heaven.

No , we would be vindicated

No, the naive and easily pleased would feel vindicated.

Only idiots with the benefits of hindsight would look back on a failure and feel their cynicism vindicated.

If it comes to pass that Crusaders fail, it still doesnt mean it was wrong to try.

Depends if they still believe a 'london club' makes any difference.

Amen.

Only the dead lie still.

They've already failed. They weren't awarded a SL franchise on the basis of being located in North Wales, not too many miles down the road from Widnes.

Depends on what you are classing as 'success' or 'failure' really. I think as a focal point for some wonderful work going on at grass roots level, and increasing the visibility of the game in Wales they have been a resounding success.

Whether they can continue to do that and become a successful equal partner in super league offering a pathway for young welsh players improving the development of the welsh national side remains to be seen.

Let me know when they are going to start won't you

They were awarded a SL franchise on the basis of being an expansion team in an area which is a hotbed of "rugby" (South Wales) that could hopefully be tapped into. They are now located in an area which is not. That is otherwise known as a resounding failure. They need to be terminated ASAP and the RFL need to wake up before incurring further financial losses through misplaced bail-outs.



Wales as a viable national RL entity died when Rugby Union became a professional sport. Having a SL side in Wrexham (North Wales) which is based just down the road from Widnes won't alter that.