I take it you have a good understanding of the RFL rules regarding the number of juniors any club is allowed on their scholarship scheme's ?

A simple yes or no will do

I take it you agree with the IMO unreasonable costs the RFL require of Championship clubs to run academy teams

A simple yes or no will do

This is an utterly meaningless statement.

It's very "RF elly"

the meaning is abundantly clear to anyone who doesn't struggle to comprehend the English language

So yes I'll agree that the amatuer clubs provide the bulk of the players , but they always have so not an earth shattering conclusion there

SL makes the bulk of the money , for who ?

For the RFL and all its stakeholders.

and it isnt supposed to be an earth-shattering conclusion. I would have thought it was pretty obvious

thats a completely different issue.

We should be getting as many youngsters as higher quality training as we possibly can. I dont mind if a club has 20 or 2000 kids on its books as long as they are getting high quality training in a good environment

why anyone would want to limit the amount of kids we bring into our professional pathways i dont know. It is idiotically counter-productive nonsense

Firstly I wasn't talking to you

And on your last point , so you are criticising the RFL , except they make up rules , and then dont bother enforcing them , a bit like visa's for players , it all depend on who is asking

well im not criticising them am I. Im clearly in support of their decision not to enforce a nonsensical idiotic rule.



The RFL have been entrusted with the authority to hand out visas? when did this happen

The vast majority of the money that SL makes , goes to SL clubs , they dont contribute to any great degree to any other part of the sport , dont pretend they somehow are the saviours of RL , they are not , all are in it for themselves

You made the point , I was just pointing out how obvious your point was , you however were pretending it was some earth shattering new conclusion , if you are going to state the blindingly obvious , at least say so when you state it

they contribute a damn sight more than the lower leagues. Who bar a small minority of players who are missed by the SL net contribute precisely nothing to any other part of the game other than themselves. In fact, they were offered hundreds and thousands of pounds to admit one french club and help the development of the game. They were also reimbursed for the money they spent travelling to and from that one game they had to play an hours flight away, and still a fair amount of their fans bitched and whined about how money they never earned wasnt just handed over for their chairmen to away on another 4th or 5th tier antipodean.

the last SL contract gave every amateur club house Sky Sports at discounted rates. It put thousands of pounds any club in the country could apply for funding from to improve its facilities. It offered ever lower league club £100k on the basis it was invested in the future rather than wasted. It gave £100k to the lower league champions and it doubled the amount of funding that went to lower league clubs



I dont disagree, i thought it almost self-evident. It seems however some fans of lower league clubs seem to take offence to what was clearly an obvious statement

OK, let me show you what I mean. I’d just like to get one point out of the way first though. You were replying to this post from Starbug:



Note the area marked in bold

Starbug is clearly saying that the Championship is important and that the game as a whole needs to be strong to survive.

You replied:

Did you miss the point?

Starbug is clearly saying that ‘all parts are important’, so obviously somebody has stated such.


Saying that one area of the same body is more important that another, when that body requires its entire constituent parts to remain healthy and at its peak in order to progress and survive, makes any attempt to single out one aspect of the same body as better than the other parts irrelevant. Therefore your point is meaningless.

I have vital organs in my body which I require to stay alive. These can be regarded as being the most important areas of the body. But I would be far less healthy if I lost my arms, legs, and eyes. None of which I require to live, but they still make me a much healthier and stronger human being. We function better with all of our parts.

The RL amateurs, the lower leagues, and Super League are part of the same body. Each has a different role to play. Each is essential to its well being,


Being able to read and understand English is fine, but you also need to be able to understand simple concepts, of which this is a perfect example, too.


The lower leagues also provide things which the amateur leagues do not, and by their very nature never can do. The lower leagues provide a valuable service to SL and RL in general that cannot be provided elsewhere. I have already outlined some of them in an earlier post. Other people have also pointed out more areas that make the Championships a vital part of the RL cog.

you seem to have ignored the fact that that was starbug argument against a point i clarified nobody had made

whats strange is you seem to understand perfectly well the conversation that went on yet pretended you didnt. Odd


yet again, you seem to perfectly understand the meaning of the point being made. You have even written a lovely metaphor below to highlight the fact you understand it but then pretend you dont. As I say its strange
indeed, a good example. Where the lower leagues would be akin to arms or legs, SL the head and the amateur game the heart. You can lose an arm and live a long and happy life, you cant live a long and happy life if your head falls off or your heart explodes.

all constituent parts of the same body working towards the same goal, all contributing in different ways to the body working but some contributing more than others, and hence being more important than other parts of the same body. This isnt a meaningless statement. Its a fairly obvious one that needed an inappropriate amount of explanation but its clearly not meaningless

indeed. This is correct. With some roles being more important than others.


Dont start running before you can crawl. When you can read and understand English better maybe then we can start on concepts


yes, there are areas where the championships contribute. Nobody has denied this. What has been said is the contribution the championships make to the game as a whole is less than that of SL and the Amateur game. Of the three cogs in the game, we would be least damaged by losing the lower leagues in comparison to the other two. They are the least important cog in the machine. Not worthless, just not worth as much

No it is not possible for every club to get 100 K , and yet that is how the RFL ' spinned ' it , unfortunatley people like you believe ' spin '

So I have suggested that the RFL just hand money over to the Championship club ?

No , never have , search for days and you will not find a post suggesting that

I think Smokey made a typo, and that is what has caused the confusion.

So what are you suggesting?

It wasnt possible because some clubs were never going to do it. It would have been pointless to hold over hundreds of thousands of pounds for something people knew wasnt going to happen

Sorry you've lost me , Smokey has not made a typo , the RFL stated at the start of the 2009 season that every club can get 100 K of funding , not that every club will get 100 K of funding