cas will remain in SL next time even if they dont get a new ground, wakey wont.

after one of them is kicked out of SL i expect council to take things more seiously

also i expect then a move to a shared ground will accelerate given neither club looks like being able to go it alone

I don't think it's that easy. As we both know what the RFL want, the RFL will ensure happens. Toulouse, Barrow and Widnes in for Castleford, Wakefield and Salford would be so easy to do.

The council is too small and doesn't have the financial power to "take things more seriously." They cannot fork out £20m for a new stadium, otherwise they would have done it before now.

A shared ground will NEVER happen. If Cas don't get their new ground, they'll redevelop The Jungle. Anyway, I expect you to be proved wrong and for Cas to have full planning permission and start building on their stadium in 2010.

cas still have a big funding shortfall in their stadium.

SL cant afford both cas and wakey in it in poor stadiums with widnes waiting, and even clubs like halifax moving on the ground. heck if leigh get their act together they are a good chance as well.

one of wakey / cas to be sacrificed for a heartland club outside SL with a new ground ie widnes.

barrow are ZERO chance at SL.

Says who? Provide evidence for this, please? Or is that what you've read from some of the Wakefield posters on here, who to be fair know as much as me (who lives 2.5 miles from Cas) and you, who lives 10000 miles away.



What does SL get out of Cas playing out of a new ground apart from being aesthetically pleasing? Nothing. At the end of the day, whether Cas play at The Jungle or the ground at Glasshoughton the fans will still stick by them and stand by them.

1. all ive read is cas dont have funding for the ground sorted and that was months and months ago. the last i heard theyd asked council to make up the difference. until i hear the funding has been sorted ill stick with what ive said.

2. why should clubs have new grounds - dumb question. why should clubs even have big crowds?

ill give you a hint - warrington, FC, and Huddersfield. or even wigan.

small town clubs have no chance of competing with the bigger clubs in older stadia

even saints and bradford will one day be at risk in SL if they dont move to new / improved grounds, its just that there are many smaller clubs in s**t grounds who will go before them

I wasn't asking what the club's got. I was asking how the ENTIRE OF SL benefits, considering you said 'SL can't afford both'. At what cost is SL gaining/losing?

If you go watch the latest video on Cas's website you'll see that the funding package is in place.

Go on , give us a clue ?

leigh were the only exception, thats the clue

RL as a sport isnt big enough in england. it also struggles against australia at international level

having 2 clubs like wakey and cas next to each other is a waste of a SL spot

2 SL spots for Hull is fine because both are strong clubs and getting stronger

cas arent too bad but without a new ground wont grow further
wakey are just hopeless.

the more SL has stronger clubs the more the game grows. stronger clubs contribute to a stronger SL via better competetion.

i really shouldnt have to be explaining how stronger clubs benefits the game.

So, in the event that both Wakey and Cas get their new grounds are they both OK to stay in SL then?

But - and here's the kicker - if these clubs didn't have to fork out for new stadiums, they could strengthen their squads which would make a stronger Super League anyway? St Helens have managed for a while, why not Cas and Wakefield?

Hull KR are broke, getting further into the red and have an abysmal stadium. Unlike Cas and Wakey they have no junior development to speak of and have had a success bubble built on using overseas players beyond the maximum allowed other clubs through dispensations and running on an unsustainable budget. Cas and Wakey have contributed far more to English SL and will continue to do so in future.

Hull KR are doing just fine.

yep certainly.

look at bradford.

crowds are down by 50% once they no longer are winning stuff and their finances are iffy

the same thing will happen to st helens when their run is over (looks like happening sooner rather than later)

you need new grounds which can help to make clubs more sustainable for the longer term

can cas or wakey seriously challenge the bigger clubs with their current grounds? maybe if they got a rich sugar daddy like saints do then maybe

all i want to see is SL become like the nrl. that means all clubs can have a chance at winning a GF, or at least most of them.

all of the nrl clubs have made the semi finals.

hudds, warrington and hull fc have all seen massive crowds increases after moving to new grounds and all are now challenging clubs like saints and leeds

hopefully as mroe clubs get new grounds other clubs will be forced to get their own or be left behind

edit : buying success on the field is a short term fix (bradford, saints). if the club isnt strong off the field when the on field success declines the club is stuffed. invest in the ground, juniors, marketing etc and the on field results will come, especially with a salary cap which levels the playing field and the elimination of relegation every year

theyve improved their ground steadily
theyve gone from being promoted into a semi final position
their crowds are fairly good

all the top clubs are losing money, as are NRL clubs.

So Huddersfield have increased their crowds massively because they are playing at the MC galpharm ? , or is it because they are being bankrolled to the tune of 1.5 million a year ?

I thought this thread was about Hull KR s debts.

Looks like its turned into a personal crusade by one poster to use it as a vehicle to have a dig at Wakefield.


Any way back on topic.

Im sure Hull KR will sort themselves out.

Clearly Dally has a hot line to both Richard Lewis and almost everyone else in the game. He seems to know that Cas will stay up and Wakey won't, Saints should stay up regardless and many other random FACTS. He is incredible, no really. Especially when you consider his ramblings on the thread about RU on this very VT. He spouts boldly about the hypocrisy and elitism displayed by them yet spouts very similar beliefs of his own on here. How sad, I suspect he was bullied at school.

Presumably by a Wakefield supporter!!!!!

There are many potential reasons for the gates up at the Galpharm. The stadium and bankrolling are but two. Certainly attracting new supporters / families etc is helped by having up to date faciities. There is little evidence that standing on decrepid terraces open to the elements and having pathetic toilet facilities etc are welcomed by wouldbe fans.

That said there is the fallacy that new stadium = bigger crowds. If entrance prices are hiked up / the stadium location is inconvenient / performance is poor etc a club will struggle for gates.

Also a new stadium does not guarentee improved finances. Often a club has operated rent free + paid minimal stadium running costs + taken 100% of hospitality spend intheir old place. At a new stadium they may experience a significant increase in costs when they have to do things like: pay economic rent for offices and matchday useage + stadium taking a share of hospitaity income.

Yes I know , then again I'm communicating with Dally M , so you understand the problems

, I dont really know why I bother , but care in the community is a good idea so I like to help

It would be a kind of natural justice

So getting a new ground would see them go from "hopeless" to being "ok to stay in Super League"

So it's a stadium contest then ? I look forward to London Skolars getting a new ground and being ok to be in Super League. I bet Geoff Fletcher wishes he was still running Huyton, A new stadium and they would have been sorted.

Get your hands out from under the blankets.