1. Leeds
2. Wigan
3. Saints
4. Catalan
5. Warrington
6. Hull KR
7. Hull FC
8. Huddersfield
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9. Wakefield
10. Bradford
11. Castleford
12. Quins
13. Salford
14. Crusaders

Grand Final - Leeds vs Wigan
Challenge Cup Final - Leeds vs Hull KR

That based on both's amazing cup for of late?

There is more chance of Warrington v Hull FC.

But cup rugby doesn't work like that, you cannot predict it, what if Leeds get KR in the fifth round?

Leeds
Hudds
Hull KR
Saints
Wigan
Warrington
Wakey
Cas

Hull
Catalans
Bradford
Quins
Salford
Celtic

Leeds
Saints
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Catalans
Warrington
Hudds
Hull KR
Hull FC
Bradford
Wakefield
Castelford
Quins
Salford
Widnes



















Ones in bold will be very close and not sure about the order of ones in red at all that is in no particular order. I think Saints and Leeds will be too much over a long season. Us, Warrington and Catalans IMO have the best chance of challenging the top two with the teams they have.

You serious? If Mathers is ever in contention for England we might as well pack up. Even Tony "Mr. Nepotism" Smith didn't pick him for the 4 nations.

But Mathers has shown good form in the past and if he can regain that then there is no reason he should not be in contention.

On last seasons form any talk of his selection would be ridiculous.

I said there isnt alot between them not that he should be playing. But all of them are in contention if they play to the best of there abilities.

Oooh - I'm bookmarking this one.



So you think you have a better side than last season?

Yes, defininately have more depth this year.

Outs:

Esders - was on loan last season.
Stan - was a season too far for him last year.
Maka - had lost the "desire" to maintain his best standards.
Fozzard - good for the first half of last year but was finished by June.
Fitzhenry - a loss and we'll miss him IMO.

Ins:

Ratu - Leeds' Academy POTY
Hodgson - Hull's Academy POTY
Cook - Good young English player with bags of potential looking to reignite his career.
Watts - Genuine potential to be a world-class off-loading prop if he doesn't lose his focus.

The likes of Welham, I'Anson etc. have more experience and most of the players have loads of capacity for improvement.

We're a young, fit side with only Vella & Galea the wrong side of 30 and even the latter is a current SL Dream Team player.

At least one more front-rower wouldn't go a miss though but the season is stil 2 months away yet.

Lack the props to finish in the top 4,

Vella
Lovegrove
Wheeldon
Watts
Mills

Only Vella is top class, lovegrove is strong going forward, Watts looks to have the potential, the other two are average.

Like KR we at wire are a prop short to do anything in the league this year imho. That is unless harrison and Cooper play well above their age, it's possible but I dont think it's year of the wolf this year.
Think Carvell will be getting more minutes

was they?

do you believe anything a person in hkr tells you? a agent talking up a player what ever next!

OK then.

there might not be a lot between them but they arent world class?

Who said there world class ?

He certainly aint the worst on that list if your going by last seasons form.

There is IMO alot between them, only two are well established FB's.

you will find Owen will be look at his age look at the way he is growing and look at his speed and then tell me if not. he has the abilty to be best Full back seen years at Cas and we have had some good ones people like Steadman G B full back and G Beltcher the Aussie test full back and could quite easy be better than them.

Whats his chances of holding down a regular spot as FB in your team when you have a fully fit squad?

he will hold a place down

i'd definatly have owen at fb than mcgoldrick, the latter is a liability with his gob alone!

he will be Cas number this year like he was most of last year only time he did not he was injured for a change Cas have done it properly only worry i have is that Ra Ra boys wont him.

Same here, I like the look of Owen but will Matterson hold Owen back and play McGoldrick at FB. I can see it happening myself and Owen being played on the wing.

I'd have Owen at full back, looks a quality young player. Then play McGoldrick at centre instead of Evans or put him the bench.