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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Without the big boys from the RFL getting involved London would have been toast'"
Without the other SL clubs voting to include them they would have been toast, too.
Without any number of things they would have been toast.
Quote Thats being 'bailed out' by the RFL in my book
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You need a new book. Preferably one with lots of pictures and few long words, I think.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Gutter.
That article appeared in the Guardian
I know you are probably more of a Daily Sport /Beano type guy but trust me.
The Guardian is a pretty accurate paper.
Basically the RFL bailed you out.
You know it.
I know it.
You have been owned AGAIN .. just like you were on your own board.
Move on
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Now....just so we're clear here.
Because an article, that essentially is 90% supposition appears in The Guardian....that makes it 100% fact does it? Mmm...Interesting concept that.
I actually read the Telegraph....but for what it's worth, the are are some great T1Ts in the Sport....massive....no really huge, but none as big as you. Regardless of what you THINK went on in 2005 between the SL chairmen, lewis and the broncos....you can't (AND I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED FOR THIS) provide 1 link that backs up your assertion that we were bailed out.
Even when you try to be clever by posting things like:
Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"London Broncos were in financial strife.
They were bailed out by the chairman and the financial controller of the RFL after brokering a deal between various people.'"
...which is an obvious and clumsy attempt to use the word financial and bail to imply that we were "bailed out"
As for being owned....PMSL...no really.....PMSL....
You can't win this argument.....no matter how many times you post supposition, you aren't posting fact and fact will always win an argument.
Back atcha sport
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| By the way...If I stop posting in a minute it's because I have arrived back in London on one of the beardy b@st@rds trains and will be going underground....But don't fret my little crim.....I'll be back tomorrow if you want to keep on digging
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"It sure is
'Spreading the game' as you put it is clearly not working though.
Which was my original point.
It's like me suddenly setting up an Aussie Rules club in the middle of Driffield and expecting you and your mates to rock up every week and pay to watch.
It wouldnt happen.'"
So what do you want shouild we just give up & let the game die? The moment the game went full time pro in Australia (because it had the support as the number one sport) the rest of the world went to hell no longer would a team of semi pro players from France be able to win a test series Against the mighty Kangaroos. In the 60s & 70s semi pro players from clubs in the UK playing to similar crowds as they do today could hold thier own & often bettered the Aussies but since we have had to compete with fulltime players it has been a struggle as in the first few years we lost older players who had good jobs & would not give them up for a couple of years full time pay. Being a full time pro sportsman in the UK has never untill now be something to aspire to, the schools system would certainly not promote sport as a carreer so we have nearly thirty years to catch up with the southern hemisphere & I would not look to them to help as they are self promoting head in the sand zenophobes who dont even realise there is a world outside of the Sydney leagues & would not care if they did know. As for the good people of Driffield watching Rules I bet they would, but not week in week out as it would take a couple of generations for it to enter the local culture which is what is hapening slowly in London & that is why we have to keep on trying in non traditional areas other wise we will be swamped by soccer & Union.
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"The RFL missed a trick with welsh rugby and London when we were the only professional game and RU was amateur. If they had set it up then they would have drawn the big players quite easily and the game would be well established now but hey hindsight's a wonderful thing and no sky cash probably wouldn't have made it possible.
Quins problem is marketing and that's it.
They need a huge marketing drive
:3cqju9rwCeltic need a big backer, better facilities, and a team that can compete. it's their 1st season ffs:3cqju9rw
:3cqju9rwCatalans are fine and im glad they are part of SL and i hope we start to see Toulouse in SL too.[/
Yes Celtic need a richer sugar daddy , a better ground and a better team , makes you wonder how they managed to get a franchise without them
Catalans have done excellent and I hope to see Warrington in the Championships too
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...which is an obvious and clumsy attempt to use the word financial and bail to imply that we were "bailed out" '"
Ok champ
Try reading the original post properly and it might spare you from embarrassing yourself in front of the board in future.
If you cant see how the RFL bailed your sorry excuse for a club out then you really are incredibly stupid.
This thread is not purely about London RL.
If you want to discuss London then it might be best to stick to your own forum.
The one which despite what you say I am banned from and have no way of getting involved in anything you say (thank god!)
Lets end our communication here
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"
If you cant see how the RFL bailed your sorry excuse for a club out then you really are incredibly stupid.'"
Or you're using "bailed out" in a very peculiar way for this context.
But there again, there's confusion regarding your status on the 'Quins board; you say you're banned, the mods say you're not.
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| Quote ="J. Willard Gibbs"Or you're using "bailed out" in a very peculiar way for this context.
But there again, there's confusion regarding your status on the 'Quins board; you say you're banned, the mods say you're not.'"
'Bailed out' doesnt necessarily involve directly giving someone money.
I don't care if I'm still banned from the Quins board or not.
I'm surprised they did ban me though. I said nothing offensive.
I think they could do with all the posts they can get
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"
If you cant see how the RFL bailed your sorry excuse for a club out then you really are incredibly stupid.'"
Let's deal with this one first shall we.
Regardless of what you THINK happened, you have yet to deliver any proof. At no stage did I offer my opinion of what did or didn't happen....I just asked you for proof to back up yours. Hope that's cleared that one up.
Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"The one which despite what you say I am banned from and have no way of getting involved in anything you say (thank god!). '"
Mate....you continue to make yourself look like a biger knob every time you say this. At least 3 mods have confirmed you are not banned. God knows, we don't get enough people on our board (like our ground)...so WTF would we ban you. CLEAR ENOUGH 4 U?
Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Lets end our communication here'"
WHY....when it is bringing joy to so many people.
You sir, have started a row.....when you thought you were losing, posted a link to a nothing story, quoted the AUP and called me racist, claimed to have owned me, claimed to have been banned from the Quins boards and HAVE STILL FAILED TO BACK UP ANY OF YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.
Please don't go....I really am having fun (stuck outside Euston on a Virgin train with free internet)
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| I find it highly ironic that the OP slates 'Londoners' for not going along to support Quins yet refuses to offer his support when he 'lives' in London himself.
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| what's up Bazza? Oh....sorry, it's last orders, so you must be busy
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"'Bailed out' doesnt necessarily involve directly giving someone money.'"
In the context of a financial meltdown, such as the former Broncos underwent, then it certainly [idoes[/i mean financial help. You know this, but you're desperately trying to twist the term to somehow come out of this looking like you're not just blathering on.
From the ever-dubious Wikipedia: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout[iA bailout is an act of giving capital to a failing company in order to save it from bankruptcy, insolvency, or total liquidation and ruin[/i[/url
[url=http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/26/bailout-congress-bush-biz-beltway-cx_bw_0926bailout2.htmlHere's an example from Forbes using just that term, where it's quite clear it means a financial rescue package[/url[url=http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/bailout.[/url
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| Have I gone back in time or something. I thought I switched the flux capacitor off last night?!?!
The arguement has been and gone. The game needs to expand for many reasons. Wales and London are good places to expand to with volume of potential speccies, players and sponsors.
South of France is just as crazy for Rugby League as North England so why kick them out. They are doing well, it's helping French rugby which will ultimately help us.
What's the big deal anyway. If Widnes or anyone else is good enough bring them in. Why target someone else just because they are not you?
Same post has been discussed about Wakefield and Cas....blah blah
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| In answer to the quesion to this post, it will never happen resons why:
Harlequins will never be thrown out cos Sky will pull the plug if there is not a Super League team in London.
You have to have a token Welsh/French team in because hey they would do the same in every other sport in the world and then relegate the team that does not actually finish bottom or is it just Rugbt League??
They need to find more ways of making this sport more embarrassing than it already is at the moment.
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| Quote ="Rossfax"In answer to the quesion to this post, it will never happen resons why:
Harlequins will never be thrown out cos Sky will pull the plug if there is not a Super League team in London.
You have to have a token Welsh/French team in because hey they would do the same in every other sport in the world and then relegate the team that does not actually finish bottom or is it just Rugbt League??
They need to find more ways of making this sport more embarrassing than it already is at the moment.'"
post number 13 and the best by a country mile
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| Celtic will take years before a view can be taken as to whether they are a success or not. My only feeling is that, judging by the squad they put together, the whole thing was set up a bit on the cheap.
To me, Quins score very highly on every measure except crowds - which aren't crash hot at a number of other clubs either. If crowd figures were that important, Salford would never have got in to SL.
It's interesting that Les Cats seem to be getting less criticism now because they are mid table and have a healthy crowd average. Amazing what difference a crowd makes.
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| Barry McKenzie is a shıt 70s australian film with the "world famous" (in australia) actor Barry Crocker about an aussie living in London. Allegedly it was a comedy. What an apt choice of name.
Well thought out by this wind up merchant.
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| How anyone can criticise Catalans is beyond me. They have been playing RL there for 70 years.
If it was not for the Nazis / vichy and the second world war it would have been the dominant game in France
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Ok champ
Try reading the original post properly and it might spare you from embarrassing yourself in front of the board in future.
If you cant see how the RFL bailed your sorry excuse for a club out then you really are incredibly stupid.'"
Nope, it is you looking increasingly stupid if you think that is what constitutes a bail out
Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"If you want to discuss London then it might be best to stick to your own forum.
The one which despite what you say I am banned from and have no way of getting involved in anything you say (thank god!)'"
You are not and never were banned from our forum
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Yes people say RL has to expand.
Yes people say its good for Rugby League to have these teams playing.
Yes people have said that without expansion RL will die.
Garbage.
Over here Rugby league is traditionally a sport that has only really been popular in the NORTH OF ENGLAND. Same as in Australia rugby league is really only popular in Queensland and NSW. Remember the Perth Western Reds? Or the Adelaide Rams??
No. And neither does anyone else.
The time has come to accept that Rugby league will never catch on in the south of France, South Wales, London, Adelaide, Perth or in any other area outside of the heartlands enough to make it financially viable to carry on.
London have tried since 1980 to kick start things down south. 3 name changes later and a big bail out from the RFL still hasn't seen much of an improvement.
South Wales has always been a Rugby Union area. Always. League will NEVER have the pull that union does.
I'm not a Widnes fan but there is no way they should have been overlooked for a SL franchise.
The RFL should stick with making the game stronger in the areas that count and not try and expand.
Expansion is not the future of Rugby League. They should pump more money into promoting what they already have in the areas that truly matter.'"
worst. post. ever!
is that you colin love?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"err Adelaide averaged over 13,000 and had the biggest membership of any NRL club so sorry but there was obviously interest there if we had perservered with it. Considering we have had no RL profile here we have produced a damn site more than Victoria who has had an NRL team and SOO games for over a decade.
Cory Patterson, Matt Peterson, Daniel Holdsworth, Lee Te Mari, Jon Green all have recently played NRL and came through the WARL for starters. We have another handful in NSW/Q'land cup and Toyota cup. For a place that has been ignored for over a decade thats not bad going.
ps When was the last time Cronulla got a crowd over 20,000? They have only ever once averaged over 14,000 in their entire 40 year+ history. Ironically one of their biggest home crowds ever was in 1991 when they played a home game in Perth!
Some people believe that our game isn't good enough to take to the uneducated and get them interested. personally I think it is the best game in teh world and if you sell it right there is no reason RL can't be popular in any city in any country. You do realise that EVERY club in EVERY city started at some point in time and had to grow to where it is now don't you? Cronullas first season they averaged less than 6,000!'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Ignoring the facts.......check
Repeating falsehoods until proven wrong, then changing the argument....check
Pretending to be australian.......check
Obvious trolling.....check
No coherent argument......check
I think the answer is pretty clear
Hi dally messenger, that username not getting the bites anymore!'"
Well called Smokey, nothing new there.
Can anyone tell us if Dally is banned from the Quins forum?
BTW calling someone a 'crim' or even a 'sheepshagging aboriginal murderer' isn't racist.
"Australian" isn't a race you muppet, its a nationality.
Jesus, do you think the average Australian IQ went up much when he left?
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Because even the biggest Rugby League clubs never sell out games week in week out.
Super league doesnt have the equivalent of Manchester United.
Rugby League clubs need bigger attendances.
Cleary a Wigan v Hull match will have a bigger crowd than a Wigan v Celtic Crusaders one.
Same as a Huddersfield v Leeds game will have a bigger crowd than a Huddersfield v Catalans one.
Therefore the takings will be higher.
I don't think the most dyed in the wool footy fan could really disagree with that one.'"
Our away game at Celtic got more fans at the game than our game at Wakefield. I bet that our away game at Catalans will get a bigger crowd than basically any gate at our away games bar Leeds and Wigan.
We also got a bigger home attendance for our game against the Catalans than for our home games against Wakey, Wire, Saints, Leeds and Salford
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