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on the sunday roast today the boys made a great comment :
they said if matty johns had gone out and intentionally killed someone he wouldve been treated better by the media than he has in the past week
joey looked quite upset on the footy show as well.
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Something no half back will ever make 30 times in a gameicon_biggrin.gif'"
Andrew Johns was one of the best tacklers in the game. |
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"I have no problems with Johns doing exactly what he wants - what I cannot accept is all this - "he is being treated unfairly rubbish" - Johns knew exactly what he was getting in to and the potential reprocussions on his career if it came out - he simply got his cummupence
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He was not even employed by Channel 9 at the time but by the Sharks. So yes, I do think he is being harshly treated for being fired from his job for behaving in a totally legal fashion prior to his present employment.
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If you don't think their relationship is damaged beyond repair then you are nieve - if your wife - if you have one - did this to you would you just shrug your shoulders and go ok no probs - I doubt it.'"
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"This is way beyond Dally's comprehension - let's face it he thinks you cannot have fun as a married man unless you are are having extra marital sex - that says everything you need to know about him.
If Johns had just had a normal affair he would still probably have his job - the fact he - a married man with children - participated/instigated DP with a group of other players watching brings into question his whole moral compass - is that the behaviour you would expect from a senior member of a reputable organisation - in these circumstance most senior people would be quietly asked to find alternative employment'"
Again though you are confusing your own morals with the legal situation. Johns did nothing illegal. You believe his 'moral compass' is totally skewed because he partook in group sex. This is clearly based on YOUR understanding that sex should not take place in groups, especially not with indivduals who are married.
Clearly the guy was drunk, had some tart throw herself at him, and he decided to take her back to the rugby lads for all to see! Now, this is obviously a little of the weird side (in my opinion). However, it is not illegal. If someone wishes to do this, then fine. Moreover, it is not something to sack someone over. |
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"You keep prattling on about the married man bit. Only you know why you have such a fixation. This element shows johns had a callous disreguard for the feelings of his wife. So callous that he does it front of 12+ 'co workers' who will meet his wife at club events. Johns knows this is sordid. you cannot figure it out.
As for your last point. Many organisations would terminate the contract of an employee who's behaviour - past or present - is inconsistent with the values of the business and / or bring the organisation into disrepute. You find thisdifficult to comprehend because in your little world gang banging infront of 12 people is mainstream heterosexual activity. Poor little matty and dally - you will have to live with it...tough
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But since when have employees decided on what they believe is consistent with their 'values' vis-a-vis legal sexual behaviour? If a player was fired for being homosexual, as it was not consistent with the 'values' of the said club. one could only imagine the up roar by the moral police on here! |
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However, the owner of Christchurch's Racecourse Hotel said that while the Cronulla Sharks and Johns were welcome back at the hotel their alleged victim - known only as Clare - was not.
Hotel owner John Butterfield said that the Sharks squad who stayed there in 2002 were "a great bunch of guys".
He branded their accuser, then a 19-year-old university student who worked at the hotel part time, a liar.
"She told a whole bunch of lies," said Mr Butterfield, who is the executive director of his Canterbury Hospitality Group.
"It's buggered Matthew Johns' whole life."
Mr Butterfield said the woman had crowed to staff about a sexual liaison with two footballers in the men's toilets at the Holy Grail sports bar in the city centre on the Thursday night, the night before the group sex incident.
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However, the owner of Christchurch's Racecourse Hotel said that while the Cronulla Sharks and Johns were welcome back at the hotel their alleged victim - known only as Clare - was not.
Hotel owner John Butterfield said that the Sharks squad who stayed there in 2002 were "a great bunch of guys".
He branded their accuser, then a 19-year-old university student who worked at the hotel part time, a liar.
"She told a whole bunch of lies," said Mr Butterfield, who is the executive director of his Canterbury Hospitality Group.
"It's buggered Matthew Johns' whole life."
Mr Butterfield said the woman had crowed to staff about a sexual liaison with two footballers in the men's toilets at the Holy Grail sports bar in the city centre on the Thursday night, the night before the group sex incident.
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| Quote ="Boris"But since when have employees decided on what they believe is consistent with their 'values' vis-a-vis legal sexual behaviour? If a player was fired for being homosexual, as it was not consistent with the 'values' of the said club. one could only imagine the up roar by the moral police on here!'"
Wake up! They do it all the time. And rightly so.
For example if a school teacher were found to be taking part in porn films - a legal activity - a scholl would be within its rights to as the teacher to leave.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"Wake up! They do it all the time. And rightly so.
For example if a school teacher were found to be taking part in porn films - a legal activity - a scholl would be within its rights to as the teacher to leave.
If Johns and his team mate had been having sex with a teenage boy in front of 12 onlookers he would have been sacked with no greater uproar.(other than that front the macho heterosexual 'lobby').'"
wow do your posts sound really desperate now the facts are coming out all in favour of johns.
i almost pity you.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"wow do your posts sound really desperate now the facts are coming out all in favour of johns.
i almost pity you.
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What a hillbillly like you thinks is not very relevant.
The desperation on here is yours. Resorting to reporting what Hotel owners say
His hotel, his organisation. He freely decides who he does business with. Fine. Likewise channel 9 have that choice. 
Johns does not dispute the central facts. That he he and a mate banged a teenager with 12 or so people stood around watching. He knows that has devastated his wife and will embarrass his children and others. He also knows that is why organisations like Channel 9 choose not to employ him.
The fact that you cannot see it and get increasingly desperate amuses many of us. Keep digging....or.......
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| ''clair'' claimed 5 or 6 sharks came in the bathroom window but the hotel owner said that is impossible . no one can get through those windows  |
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Did you know that the lass said that Matthew Johns was the only one concerned about her and he walked her out to her car ? Apparently she had sex with two Union players the night before.'"
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Not concerned enough to prevent the initial act?'"
Consenting adults. It's strange though how she bragged about having sex with RL players and then 5/6 days later she reported it. Roll on 7 years and it gets dragged up again and the Police aren't interested. |
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shes admitted to bonking 4 different footy players in 2 consecutive days, and probably more.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"keep adding to it even though the facts are making you look even more silly.
at this rate youll look as dumb as ER, if thats possible'"
It is - you make me look like Einstein
How is Stacey doing by the way!!! |
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| Quote ="dally messenger"shes admitted to bonking 4 different footy players in 2 consecutive days, and probably more.'"
Then she reports it a week or so later......
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| Quote ="dally messenger"keep adding to it even though the facts are making you look even more silly.
at this rate youll look as dumb as ER, if thats possible'"
Is that the best you've got banjo boy?
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Consenting adults. It's strange though how she bragged about having sex with RL players and then 5/6 days later she reported it. Roll on 7 years and it gets dragged up again and the Police aren't interested.'"
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Then she reports it a week or so later......
Strange.'"
she was bragging about it the next day to work mates but the only problem was she couldnt remember how many shed slept with
then she lies about them sneaking in through the window.
ive always maintained from the start that the problem is the poor girl can accept what shes done in her younger days as she now is married and wants to look better in front of her husband who has found out about her past
rather than just admitting the truth to hubby, shes trying to blame the players for it
there are loads of girls who throw themselvs at celebrities.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"Is that the best you've got banjo boy?
Sadly, it is.
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saying you are as dumb as ER is almost as bad as i can get.
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"OK so if this is the norm why is Johns appearing to be so upset about the whole incident - can't understand that?'"
That will be because it was dealt with by the Police 7 years ago. He admitted to his wife what he had done and she stuck by him. Then 7 years later it was dragged out again. The Police aren't interested now as there is nothing to go over in their eyes but not for a TV programme that deals with it.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"she was bragging about it the next day to work mates but the only problem was she couldnt remember how many shed slept with
then she lies about them sneaking in through the window.
ive always maintained from the start that the problem is the poor girl can accept what shes done in her younger days as she now is married and wants to look better in front of her husband who has found out about her past
rather than just admitting the truth to hubby, shes trying to blame the players for it
there are loads of girls who throw themselvs at celebrities.
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Nobody forces the celebrities/players either!!! Just because a girls says have sex with me it doesn't mean you have to say yes - especially if you have any respect for your wife!!! |
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"That will be because it was dealt with by the Police 7 years ago. He admitted to his wife what he had done and she stuck by him. Then 7 years later it was dragged out again. The Police aren't interested now as there is nothing to go over in their eyes but not for a TV programme that deals with it.
How's that - have I explained it clearly enough for you ?'"
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