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Why let the truth get in the way of a conspiracy theory!
Still, it's out on social media the two ex Wigan players were on the panel so it must be true .....
SoL isn't the first person to have had a decision given lower than the grading but by the reaction here it seems like most people believe it's the first time it's ever happened.
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| Quote ="Big Steve"Why let the truth get in the way of a conspiracy theory!
Still, it's out on social media the two ex Wigan players were on the panel so it must be true .....
SoL isn't the first person to have had a decision given lower than the grading but by the reaction here it seems like most people believe it's the first time it's ever happened.'"
Quite correct, but only just recently this happened also :Wigan pair Josh Charnley and Joel Tomkins have been cleared by the Rugby Football League's match review panel of a dangerous throw they have been told they will face no further action after admitting the grade A offence.
I seem to remember a bad high shot by Matty Bowen on a HKR player just before a WCC match that he got away with.Just seems there is a pattern with Wigan and lenient disciplinary decisions.  |
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I'd put my house on you finding similar scenarios for all the clubs if you actually wanted to put the effort. But that would get in the way of your "The RFL loves Wigan" sob story.
I'll give you a clue. Ben Westwood getting 1 match for deliberately punching a prone Blake Green and breaking his cheekbone. Not a single punishment for a crusher tackle on Tony CLubb forcing him to have neck surgery and miss more games than Annikin. Scott Moore (yes, the RFL's favourite no less!) got charged with a Grade A for punching a Widnes player but got no ban. Logan Tomkins was charged with a Grade C, got one match, as was Atkins at Warrington. These four examples took me less than 10 seconds to remember and without google. I happened to find the weeks disciplinary you were referring to and found that Hemel Stags, London, Dewsbury and Catalans all had played plead guilty to a grade A charge and get no ban.
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I'm perfectly willing to accept the complaints of inconsistencies in the disciplinary decisions but there is absolutely nothing to the "RFL favours/hates [insert random club name" stuff. It's just daft.
As I said I'm willing to accept the complaints about inconsistencies and I think individual players can end up under more scrutiny by both referees and the disciplinary but it certainly isn't a club thing.
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We all love a good conspiracy.....
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Quote ="Him"I thought Bailey pushed Silverwood out of the way when in defence? Now I can fully understand the urge to shove Richard Silverwood, and I'm willing to accept a certain amount of mitigation if Bailey didn't see him in the way until late but we do have to protect referees. If it's the right incident I'm thinking of Charnleys was nothing like Bailey's.'"
Hock got 5 games for grabbing a refs arm in 2008
SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE:
Player disputes decision of referee and in the process of doing so grabs hold of / places his hand on the referee’s arm. Starting point has to be that any physical contact with the referee is absolutely unacceptable; however minimal as it is imperative that the referee feels safe and protected on the field of play. However, the panel did take account of the nature of the contact and reflected this is the grading of the charge as an E grade offence rather than an F. In addition to being a breach of the Laws of the Game, the Player’s actions were also a breach of the RFL’s Respect Policy.
- See more at: www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch
he was banned for another 4 in 2013 for accidental but avoidable contact with the referee but that was in the CC so the report doesnt seem to be there.
then he was banned again for crashing in to Thomason
Brent Webb was fined £300 for touching Silverwood and found guilty, even though they accepted he didnt push or grab him on the basis of [iThe committee believe this is a case of strict liability. This means that regardless of the circumstances any deliberate touching of a referee is an offence and therefore the committee find Mr Webb guilty of this offence. - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch[/i
For Consistency, and going by what the RFL have said before, if you touch the ref, you are guilty. No ifs buts or maybes. If you do it aggressively you get a few games ban. |
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Quote ="Him"I thought Bailey pushed Silverwood out of the way when in defence? Now I can fully understand the urge to shove Richard Silverwood, and I'm willing to accept a certain amount of mitigation if Bailey didn't see him in the way until late but we do have to protect referees. If it's the right incident I'm thinking of Charnleys was nothing like Bailey's.'"
Hock got 5 games for grabbing a refs arm in 2008
SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE:
Player disputes decision of referee and in the process of doing so grabs hold of / places his hand on the referee’s arm. Starting point has to be that any physical contact with the referee is absolutely unacceptable; however minimal as it is imperative that the referee feels safe and protected on the field of play. However, the panel did take account of the nature of the contact and reflected this is the grading of the charge as an E grade offence rather than an F. In addition to being a breach of the Laws of the Game, the Player’s actions were also a breach of the RFL’s Respect Policy.
- See more at: www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch
he was banned for another 4 in 2013 for accidental but avoidable contact with the referee but that was in the CC so the report doesnt seem to be there.
then he was banned again for crashing in to Thomason
Brent Webb was fined £300 for touching Silverwood and found guilty, even though they accepted he didnt push or grab him on the basis of [iThe committee believe this is a case of strict liability. This means that regardless of the circumstances any deliberate touching of a referee is an offence and therefore the committee find Mr Webb guilty of this offence. - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch[/i
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| Quote ="secondstanza"I don't think Charnley will be up for a grade C.
This whole thing about who was on the panel is a total non story. Fielden wasn't on the panel - the RFL and the man himself have confirmed this. And Sculthorpe played 39 games for Wakefield so he's hardly Wigan through and through is he.
EDIT: Pretty sure Mitch Allgood got a grade B at magic for touching the ref.'"
Just a small point of order regarding Sculthorpe.
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when do they post the disciplinary charges/non charges on the rfl website, is it sometime in the evening?
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| Quote ="the artist"when do they post the disciplinary charges/non charges on the rfl website, is it sometime in the evening?'"
Depends when they can get hold of Shaun Wane.  |
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"www.rugby-league.com/article/38009/four-super-league-players-charged
Charnley charged Grade C. Tautai Grade B.'"
you missed 2:
Ben Crooks (Castleford) - Grade A Dangerous Contact (EGP available)
Scott Moore (Wakefield) - Grade A High Tackle (EGP not available) |
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I didn't miss anything.
I posted the charges pertinent to this thread. |
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These threads are hillarious. In Kevin Keegan style I'd love it if we win something this year simply because of the amount of people who'd be sat crying in to their bitter.
Both will probably be banned for at least this week and possibly the semi final. If they are we'll just crack on as we have all year.
Enjoy the thrill if it comes off chaps.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"These threads are hillarious. In Kevin Keegan style I'd love it if we win something this year simply because of the amount of people who'd be sat crying in to their bitter.
Both will probably be banned for at least this week and possibly the semi final. If they are we'll just crack on as we have all year.
Enjoy the thrill if it comes off chaps.'"
I hope they both get banned but it's nothing to do with me being bitter mate.
They both deserve a ban and it would be an extraordinary display of weakness if the RFL don't see this through.
They have a record of bottling it prior to big matches and it's always been something that frustrates me. Regardless of the team involved I really hope they don't back down this time. |
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"They have a record of bottling it prior to big matches and it's always been something that frustrates me.'"
They do?
I assume you have evidence? |
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I assume you have evidence?'"
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Ironic that they class contact with the ref as bad as an attack to the head. I would not be surprised if Charnley got the full three match ban, to show the laughing stock that is running our sport. RL will be looked at as an amateur sport as long as it's run by amateurs.
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It's daft that Charnley is on a lesser charge than Tautai.
Why the RFL are now ambivalent about the same type of tackles they were giving substantial bans out for early in the season is strange.
I'd also far rather have seen the referee take action on the pitch against both Tautai and Charnley.
Charnley could've been sin binned and that'd be an end to it.
Tautai could've been punished too. It was obviously an illegal tackle and it wasn't hidden. One of the 3 officials should've seen it.
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| Quote ="Him"It's daft that Charnley is on a lesser charge than Tautai.
Why the RFL are now ambivalent about the same type of tackles they were giving substantial bans out for early in the season is strange.
I'd also far rather have seen the referee take action on the pitch against both Tautai and Charnley.
Charnley could've been sin binned and that'd be an end to it.
Tautai could've been punished too. It was obviously an illegal tackle and it wasn't hidden. One of the 3 officials should've seen it.'"
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| Quote ="Willzay"Despite the few that defend it it's a farcical system.'"
I think the system is fine. It's the decisions made by the people in the system and the lack of consistency in those decisions that's the problem.
I don't know for certain but I'm willing to bet that the members of the panel don't look at past, similar incidents when making their decisions. Which is what they should do to ensure punishments are roughly similar, at least in the same season.
The RFL should be providing guidelines/instruction for particular issues that last throughout the season and not just for the start.
As ever with RL, if we want a part of it to be better we need to get better people in it and give them the resources to do the job properly. Which probably means spending more money on the disciplinary system. As I get the impression the disciplinary meetings currently more closely resemble that of an amateur league disciplinary meeting than a pro sport. |
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the obvious issue is that they grade the offence, give a range of possible punishments, then go outside that.
If O'loughlin can get 1 game for the offence, then the range of punishments for that offence isnt 2-3 games its 1-3 games. That makes no sense. If there were mitigating circumstances then that is what means the punishment is at the bottom end for that grading, not that we suddenly ignore the grading.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the obvious issue is that they grade the offence, give a range of possible punishments, then go outside that.
If O'loughlin can get 1 game for the offence, then the range of punishments for that offence isnt 2-3 games its 1-3 games. That makes no sense. If there were mitigating circumstances then that is what means the punishment is at the bottom end for that grading, not that we suddenly ignore the grading.'"
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Spot on.'"
It's not spot on. It should be but that's not the system. The MRP send offences to the diciplinary with a recommendation, it's up to the diciplinary as to whether they agree with it or not and then to consider the incident and any mitigating or aggravating factors. I'd rather the MRP simply decide whether to charge or not charge and the diciplinary then decide the grade and punishment which would eliminate perceived controversy such as the SOL case. |
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To answer the title of the thread a notion of penalising team mates of a player who received a lenient punishment in order to 'redeem' themselves is more farcical than the RFL.
Comparing the incidents as some are is none sense as they are completely different offences.
Charnley was dumb, I understand his frustration but he was dumb and deserves whatever he gets. Touching the ref is something that isn't and shouldn't be allowed.
Tautai got it very wrong. Players are well aware that they cannot enter a tackle in such a manor, from what I've seen of similar incidents grade B is probably right.
What I will say and have said on many occasions in the past it the diciplinary IMO are generally too lenient and (again IMO) most offences should get longer bans than what they do.
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