This has been done many times on these boards, usually with people frothing at the mouth about the 'rugby' world cup.

They registered the word 'rugby', so have international rights to it or something.

Every time anyone compares the off field activities of the governing bodies of either code of Rugby, one organisation begins to look very marginalised, ineffective, paranoid and amateurly run.......and it's not the IRB.

Did you never notice that Rugby League was a small, regional sport that slightly punches above its weight when you started paying attention to it? You're acting like this is a stunning recent development.

I have spent the last couple of years gettting regular bans from TFC section of league unlimited for pointing out exactly how small and regional the sport is

...them Ockers don't like it when facts are spelt out to them



Back on Topic....

The RFL turn over less than £30 million a year, the RFU, ever so slightly more than that....£136 million last year without the £54,000,000 they earn from the Autumn series.....they swallowed a £6 million + loss with consumate ease.


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Given that the combined TV deals of the NRL and SL are somewhere in the region of £192,000,000 a year and the RFU on their own will turn over very close to £190,000,000 in the 2012/13 year, comparisons between the 2 codes should be banned IMO..

What a pointless comparison. What is the ARLC turnover in comparison to the RFU and ARU television deals?

ARLC stated they wanted revenues to double by 2017 to $300,000,000 a year, which is about 195,000,000 GBP..........in 5 years time.
RFU will turn over 195,000,000 THIS YEAR.........they will take 54,000,000 GBP in Gate receipts and TV cash alone from the 4 autumn internationals...that's the same amount of TV grant money that will be received by 11 of the 16 NRL clubs for an entire season.....for 4 MEANINGLESS INTERNATIONALS!

Don't give me the 'pointless" comparison debate......the OP asked why the IRB owned RUGBY....I explained one of the reasons why.

I get it...you don't like being shown that Union is a bigger sport than League. It's one eyed fans like you who do TGG no favours.....in many places, League is considered local, insular and unwelcoming....your defensive attitude goes a long way to explaining why that is.

OK GF, you have presented some facts, so what now? How can RL progress to the levels RU enjoys, or rather will it ever? What about the long aged political obstacles RL has always faced due to "influences" from its bigger rugby brother?

1. Firstly, dust off both shoulders. Whilst having a chip on them makes most people think you're balanced, the inferiority complex helps nobody.
2. Accept that for now, Union will 'pack'em'in" internationally and it will take a generation or more for International League to get even close/
3. Stop the comparisons........they are 2 different games, with 2 different sets of demographics when it comes to supporters.
4. MARKET the game. The NRL have started to lean on sides to take the game to new audiences.....Perth, unlucky to be overlooked, will get 3 senior games this year and an ANZAC test soon. The RFL need to PAY teams like London and Salford to explore new areas......for too long it's been whippets and ale or Pigeons and pits...RL is an exciting game...Market it properly.
5. Stop playing 2nd fiddle to Media: The BBC are on their ......they pay over the odds for the 6 nations, but a pittance for RL.....yet they only market the Union......make representations NOW.....kick them while they are down.
6. RLWC 2013 is a major event in the development of the game in the UK........the RFL need to be prepared to spend some of their SKY TV warchest to ensure new fans come on board.....because like Euro 96 and the other lot in 2015, a lot of the fans you attend will be newbies.....and newbies sometimes become FANS......
7. Politics my .......there are very rarely political figures prepared to stand in the way of anything. If you refer to the Governements backing of Unions WC and not Leagues.......count the numbers involved....Union fans, 40,000 of them will follow the Lions to Oz next year, the RLWC will attract 10,000 of that to the UK. 2015 Will see 100' of thousands of French, Irish, Italian, American, Canadian, Kiwi, Australian Union fans hit the UK.....and 'business benefits/growth' attracts voters. As I said, lose the chips and get on with it.

For too long RL has been happy to muddle along....enough is enough. The NRL tv deal is bigger than any single current Union deal........if the game is to truly grow on the back of it, then some of that cash needs to be managed back into global grass roots, maybe a SoO at Old Trafford, more internationals, a proper WCC....


....the IRB, for all their faults (there are many) are a governing body that run their game......this is the #1 thing RL needs...a true, powerful governing body that the ARLC/RFL need to adhere to...otherwise, it'll be business as usual and bit by bit, TGG will shrink in the UK.

IMO that is

Agree with every single word, post of the year. The only thing i'd add is all of the governing bodies pulling together with some sort of plan for the game.

with reference back to the word "rugby" we chose as a sport to leave "Rugby" behind when we formed the "Northern Union", so from then on it was always difficult to get any kind of hold onto it and to be honest, it's just not worth the hassle/cost

We need to come up with a plan, the whole world of Rugby League can go forward with, with the ARL/NRL as the leader and that needs to be done sooner than later.

Why go off on a tangent? Simply answer the question.

Quote ="Sadfish"with reference back to the word "rugby" we chose as a sport to leave "Rugby" behind when we formed the "Northern Union", so from then on it was always difficult to get any kind of hold onto it and to be honest, it's just not worth the hassle/cost.'" Yet in reality we formed the 'Northern [iRugby[/i Football Union'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_League

Quote ="Sadfish"with reference back to the word "rugby" we chose as a sport to leave "Rugby" behind when we formed the "Northern Union", so from then on it was always difficult to get any kind of hold onto it and to be honest, it's just not worth the hassle/cost.'" Yet in reality we formed the 'Northern [iRugby[/i Football Union'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_League

Quote ="Michael_Ward"Yet in reality we formed the 'Northern [iRugby[/i Football Union'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_League'" doesn't really matter we left Rugby when we split away.

Quote ="Michael_Ward"Yet in reality we formed the 'Northern [iRugby[/i Football Union'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_League'" doesn't really matter we left Rugby when we split away.

I'm sure the town of Rugby is also worried about having to change their name.

The NRL tv Deal is far bigger than that of the RFU or any other national RFU for that matter....difference is, the NRL/ARLC are only interested in their game with their ball, whilst the RFU spread the love around, helping out those less fortunate than themselves and growing the international status of their game.....the ARLC/NRL cares that little for anything outside of its own bubble that they managed 2 internationals this year, both against their neighbours....way to spread the game


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BTW, why ask a question when you know the answer already? Do you think me typing that the NRL tv deal is massive in some way causes me discomfort?

You do seem to take it upon yourself to assume what others are implying.

Another tangent. Why don't you just answer the question.

Your Question?


The ARLC turnover, as I have pointed out already is close to 150 million GBP a year...I have no idea how much the RFU or ARU get for their TV deals respectively, but given you asked the question, I take it that combined, they fall well short of the ARLC turnover.

While we're on truth or dare, how much did the RLIF receive from the RFL/British Government for the right to host RLWC 2013 when compared to the revenue received by the IRB for 2015?

Go on, you know it's not a toughie

Are you really that incapable of wrapping your head around the fact that the RFL and RFU play the same game, rugby football, just with different administrative bodies?

He can you clearly have trouble with the obvious.

You can't leave the original governing body and take the name with you. RU own the name Rugby end of, they have owned it from the start because they are the unbroken governing body going right back to the creation of the sport.

By your logic should Scotland vote to leave the Union UK but Wales, N Ireland and England choose to stay it can still call itself Great Britain.

Rugby in RL defines the style of football played when the Northern Union broke away. Had the founding fathers known the break would be as permanent irreversible they would probably have dropped the Rugby moniker asap. For historical reasons we are stuck with it now.

Lets get this in perspective this is an application for a domain name. Not a ruling on the use of the word Rugby.

As the RFL did not apply, then the UK government is bound to put across it's opinion to try and sway the arguement in favour of the IRB, rather than the other application.

You can try and buy any name on the internet, as far as I am aware this type of thing only crops up where different people apply for the same name.

I'm sure there are lots of other derivations that can be used instead.

Rugby.com
rugby.org
rugby.net
rugby.co.uk
rugby.TV
etc


Unless I've miss read the purpose of the body involved.

Blimey, you really don't like answering questions.

To address your question; not a clue in the slightest. Then again, I didn't bring up a rather strange thesis.

If the RFU are the sole owners of the name Rugby, we could end up with a name change before long, they seem to be dropping the name Union, every time you hear the commentators, the just call there game rugby, so if they have all the naming wrights why let another sport use the name
it happened some years back with wrestling in the US they were taken to Cort to make them change there name, they called them selves the WWF
& had to change it to the WWE, supposedly cost them a small fortune in re branding, the company that took them to Cort was the World wildlife federation, lets hope the RFU are not getting ready to stick the knife in

Ridiculous comparison.

The rugby schism is directly comparable to the christian church schisms. It'd be like the UK government saying that the Protestant or Orthodox churches cannot call themselves christian churches as the Catholic church owns the name 'Christian'.

Pommy RL fans are so damn beta not a single one of you will even bother pointing this out to your local member though...

It's a TLD so it'll be england.rugby not rugby.co.uk or whatever.

Porn sites are getting .xxx, in Australia the AFL applied for .afl (might find some issues with US leagues though) and I'm assuming the ARL will apply for .nrl if they haven't already.

Basically it means that if anyone is on the net and types in australia.rugby or queensland.rugby they'll be sent to the ARU and QRU sites, not the ARL and QRL sites...