https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/48186046

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/48186046

I'm not surprised tbh.

Not really a surprise considering how bad they are, any other clubs coach would have had the same fate too, my leeds fan mate text me and said sinfield needs to go next as he's a bigger problem and only in the job cos of who he is.

Seems a bit early. Leeds will fine, as they will finish above London and probably Rovers, has Furner had enough time to turn the team around, I know he brought in a few players, but 2 of them seem to be Leeds better players?

The main mess is the lack of recruitment and not replacing the likes of Mcguire, Burrow and Peacock, is that Furners fault?

I agree.
Poor as Furner has been, who was responsible for letting the likes of Garbutt go and leaving them with the worst pack in SL.
If Furner was part of this process then fair enough but, maybe "Sir Kev" should be taking more of the flack.

Agar taking temporary charge should be interesting

Garbutt who is injured again?

Garbutt is ir wasn’t the issue

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The people upstairs must take the blame for Leeds's problems, Yes there have had injuries to there team but so has everybody else and tbf even some of the leeds youngster are not good enough, There'll get it right it's a matter of how long it will take to fix.


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Sinfield has said it’s a long term rebuild, the management have taken responsibility by changing the structure of the club, I don’t know what’s gone on with Furner and personally I don’t think hes been given enough time but if the club feel he’s not working out then they have done the right thing

He was appointed purely because he played for the club and was popular as a player so would please the fans and largely, they did fall for it. His record at Canberra was poor so there was no reason to appoint him based on coaching credentials. Leeds now need to either go for Anthony Griffin or Shaun Wane. They should have done in the first place.

Both Sinfield and Furner inherited something of a mess in terms of players tied to excessively long (and presumably expensive) contracts. Garbutt was a victim of that, pushed out to free-up cap and quota space.

I think most Leeds fans knew that this would take more than a year to fix but at the same time, this squad should not be the third worst team in the competition. There's clearly talent in there, and at times they have shown that, but nowhere near enough and that is reflected in the table.

I think people are over-stating Sinfield's role to an extent. Whilst he naturally does carry responsibility, his role is basically part of Hetherington's exit plan to run the rugby side of the business on a long-term strategy. So far, he has been lumbered with fixing short-term problems. He didn't sign many of the contracts that are part of Leeds' issues, not did he recruit many of the players that are part of the problem. Two players who have come in under his watch, Hurrell and Merrin, have arguably been our best performers (although given their status, you can argue that they should be).

Managing the transition was always going to be hard. I think any club would find it hard to replace such a quantity of talent in such as short space of time and there are plenty of examples across sport that suggest that is the case. I thought the club would give Furner longer, but results haven't been good enough.

Your pack is shocking and Garbutt was certainly one of, if not, the most effective prop that you had and when fit (I dont know what his injury situation is), he is better than what you have.
Unless you are saying that he is a permanent crock, him (and others) moving on IS definitely the problem.

Leeds were poor last season and your best two "strike" players, Hall and Moon, have also moved.
Mickey poor recruitment coupled with your better players moving on has put Leeds where they are and it comes down to why this has happened and ultimately, who is responsible for allowing it.

Garbutt hardly played for us last season, letting him go is not the reason we are poor this year.

We replaced Hall with Hurrell (different position but fulfils the same role) and he has been fantastic, Merrin has also been very good.

The squad we have should not be a bottom 3 side, I don’t think we should be s too three side either but our performances have actually gone backwards, performances on the field lies fairly and squarely with the coaching staff

Results and performances spoke for themselves, regardless of recruitment over last few years regardless of who was let go( anybody claiming to all because we let Garbutt go is in cuckoo land)
This is not good enough for the games biggest club, the squad is not great but is not this bad, awfull awfull somewhat cowardly defence, players simply not responding to him and the side is shot going backwards, this squad is at worst a 7-8 placed side this season, tickets this season and next need to be sold and the buck has stopped with an inept coach, GH got stung by Dean lance who got 18 months all be it with a better side, we simply could not continue on a downward spiral, GH only sacked two coaches and this had to be done.

How much further up the table should this current Leeds squad be, realistically?

I'd say right now their squad is behind the likes of Saints, Wire, Hull FC, Cas, Wakefield, Wigan and Catalans. So that puts them 8th at best, with Huddersfield/Salford/Rovers not too far behind. At the minute they are 10th and only 4 points off 8th spot.

Is Furner really the issue here? Or is this Leeds squad just not that good?

Probably 7-8 yes, think all Leeds fans know this and nobody was expecting trophies or realistically in contention for trophies this year, but we expected not to be easy bottom of the table cannon fodder, sides see us as pretty much guaranteed 2 points. 7-8 with some recruitment and blood some younger players for 2020 and be competitive that would do this year, and maybe pushing top 4-5 2020. We all know it will take 2-3 years to get back in the trophy mix after our greatest ever era.

Id say we should be around 7th, but to be honest its not just about the league position, it’s more about performances, we have not played well for more than 30-40 minutes in a game all year and we’ve gone backwards. Look at the Huddersfield game, in total control then as soon as hudds score we just capitulate and that has happened far too often, we don’t look like a well coached side who wants to have a dig, that’s why Furner has taken the hit.

Some Leeds fans (and pundits) seem to believe that pulling on the blue and amber shirt, turns average players into world beaters.
On the subject of recruitment, who was responsible for the appointment of Agar ?

Have you ever read Southstander? You couldn’t be further from the truth, most Leeds fans think the whole team is

Indeed. Whilst there have been some disasters this season (Wakefield at home, two trips to Hull), there have been games that should have been finished off. The team has held 2+ score leads against St Helens, London, Catalans and Castleford (AET) this season and failed to see them out within the 80. That's something you can't keep making excuses for. Hypothetical I know and every club could argue similar scenarios, but those six dropped points would put Leeds very much in play-off contention.

Truly disappointed at this news, it was such a refreshing change seeing the loiners having a brief taste of trials & tribulations, also the "Furner Out" thread was building up a good head of steam.

It'll be interesting to see who they go for next, you'd think there would be a shed load of candidates, although having Sinfield tampering from above may be a stumbling block for some, let the speculation begin.

Why so defensive, every time there is the merest suggestion that Leeds may have got something wrong you feel the need. It is possible that not everything at the Rhinos has gone to plan

Whoever the new coach will be they will have a very big job on their hands they have lost a large amount of players that have not been been replaced with anything like quality. Hethrington has let the grass grow under his feet because Sinfield is not a good "lawnmower" in cutting back the dross and signing up players with leadership qualities.

The club is very much in danger of going on the "merry go round" of continuous change of staff which will cause instability, from an outsider post of view its looking like a club that is really struggling with transition and is now going into a direction of decline because you can't ignore the fact that its looking like 3 out of the last 4 seasons they are a bottom 4 club.

These things always feel harsh - but I guess sport is a results business and a lacklustre on-field effort will soon show up in the revenues of the business; so they have to act quickly in most cases to stop the rot.

That said - if anyone thinks a group of players will suddenly stop being crap under a new coach, it seems to be an implicit acceptance that they're doing it on purpose to oust a boss they don't like - and that's a dangerous road to go down.

Strange times in RL - watching a Leeds team in freefall is not what one expects.

Completely the right decision. Guy couldn’t coach defence at all. Say what you want about quality of the squad but even teams with average lineups can and should be able to defend better than we have, if not consistently then a least on a few occasions...but it’s the same woeful defence. He got the job based off his friendship with Sinfield back from their playing days.

Whilst people criticise the quality of the squad Sinfield and Furner inherited, let’s not forgot that most of them won the 2017 GF and finished 2nd on 40 points, were top 4 in 2018 for around the opening10 games until injuries hit and gave a very credible effort away to Melbourne in the WCC. Now some drop off I can understand but not this much. That is down to Furner and also Sinfield who basically made his mind up on a lot of the squad and their long term future at the club from day 1 without given them the time or chance to perform under a new setup....the treatment of Ash Golding and point blank refusal to play him even when Jack Walker is out injured is pathetic, just to get him to move on away from the club.

People can go on about the cheap recruitment by GH for the last few years but it was a necessary thing to do because of the money going into the stadium. It’s no coincidence at all that the chequebook came out again once the work was coming to completion yet they didn’t open it up in 2016 when we were struggling because the stadium work was still up in the air.

Im not being defensive im being realistic.

You seriously think I don’t know the club has got a fair few things wrong in the lt few years?

Letting Garbutt go is near the bottom of that list.