Wakefield Trinity Wilcats & Hull FC are not happy. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... se-2259347 Hull FC and Wakefield Trinity have both come out swinging and insist they will run reserve teams next year despite a lack of interest from other Super League clubs. But the rest of Super League has not bought in, much to the disappointment of FC Chief Executive James Clark, who has heavily criticised Hull’s rivals, especially those carrying marquee players in their squad next year. “Each club has their own business principles, but marquee players should only be allowed if clubs can field an Academy, reserves and are profitable,” Some clubs are spending upwards of £150,000 on individual players, while facing financial uncertainty and even unable to form an Academy. Clark told League Express. Wakefield owner Michael Carter has also spoken of his frustration with the rest of the top tier and he revealed how much running a reserves will cost Trinity next year. don’t think it’s right that a club can employ one, or even two, marquee players but not have £30,000 spare – because that’s how much it’s cost us.” https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-2259913 The Rugby Football League have explained their disappointment at the lack of uptake in regards to the reserve grade for next season, but stopped short of stating a second team will be compulsory in 2020.

Wakefield Trinity Wilcats & Hull FC are not happy. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... se-2259347 Hull FC and Wakefield Trinity have both come out swinging and insist they will run reserve teams next year despite a lack of interest from other Super League clubs. But the rest of Super League has not bought in, much to the disappointment of FC Chief Executive James Clark, who has heavily criticised Hull’s rivals, especially those carrying marquee players in their squad next year. “Each club has their own business principles, but marquee players should only be allowed if clubs can field an Academy, reserves and are profitable,” Some clubs are spending upwards of £150,000 on individual players, while facing financial uncertainty and even unable to form an Academy. Clark told League Express. Wakefield owner Michael Carter has also spoken of his frustration with the rest of the top tier and he revealed how much running a reserves will cost Trinity next year. don’t think it’s right that a club can employ one, or even two, marquee players but not have £30,000 spare – because that’s how much it’s cost us.” https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-2259913 The Rugby Football League have explained their disappointment at the lack of uptake in regards to the reserve grade for next season, but stopped short of stating a second team will be compulsory in 2020.

Quote ="My Mate Ronnie"Wakefield Trinity & Hull FC are not happy. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... se-2259347 Hull FC and Wakefield Trinity have both come out swinging and insist they will run reserve teams next year despite a lack of interest from other Super League clubs. But the rest of Super League has not bought in, much to the disappointment of FC Chief Executive James Clark, who has heavily criticised Hull’s rivals, especially those carrying marquee players in their squad next year. “Each club has their own business principles, but marquee players should only be allowed if clubs can field an Academy, reserves and are profitable,” Clark told League Express. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-2259913 The Rugby Football League have explained their disappointment at the lack of uptake in regards to the reserve grade for next season, but stopped short of stating a second team will be compulsory in 2020.'" Edited for accuracy, no longer are we called Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. As I've just said on the Wakefield board, a reserve team should be mandatory for any club in SL.

Quote ="My Mate Ronnie"Wakefield Trinity & Hull FC are not happy. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... se-2259347 Hull FC and Wakefield Trinity have both come out swinging and insist they will run reserve teams next year despite a lack of interest from other Super League clubs. But the rest of Super League has not bought in, much to the disappointment of FC Chief Executive James Clark, who has heavily criticised Hull’s rivals, especially those carrying marquee players in their squad next year. “Each club has their own business principles, but marquee players should only be allowed if clubs can field an Academy, reserves and are profitable,” Clark told League Express. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-2259913 The Rugby Football League have explained their disappointment at the lack of uptake in regards to the reserve grade for next season, but stopped short of stating a second team will be compulsory in 2020.'" Edited for accuracy, no longer are we called Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. As I've just said on the Wakefield board, a reserve team should be mandatory for any club in SL.

A Stadium fit for purpose should be mandatory for any club in Superleague.

I do not disagree with you but I don't think anyone can deny the fact we're attempting to have that sorted, Rome wasn't built in a day lil boy.

[url=https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/wigan-warriors/wigan-warriors-explore-loan-options-as-reserves-hopes-grounded-1-9453018Wigan aren't happy either[/url, publicly stated that the number of teams in the reserve league isn't enough to give players game time to develop them. The fact that there are more Championship clubs with reserve teams than Super League ones is a farce.

Is there not scope to put SL reserves (the ones that can be bothered) into League 1 in 2020? They would be of a similar level and bring as many fans as many of the League 1 clubs, probably more than some. Obviously leave them out of the play offs.

I'm surprised Cas aren't putting one out.

Well until they actually ya know, govern the sport and make it mandatory, then they will continue to be disppointed. In fact in 12 months time it wouldn't surprise me if the reserves are scrapped all together. Why should Bradford, Halifax and Wakey fund reserves, for not many fixtures while other SL clubs don't but then splash out on marquee signings as MC says.

The fact academies aren't even mandatory is an untenable position for the RFL. What would they do if all clubs decided to scrap academies like Salford have done. No production line = no game.

No it shouldn’t

Why?

Also is Ronnie another amalgamation of Sir Kev?

yes it should

Yes it should, you're just arguing forthe sake of it - which make you a perfect example of all that's wrong with the modern game.

Because every club should be allowed it’s preference on what they want to do. Shouldn’t be a case of X,Y and Z want it so we should force all others to do it.

If 3 or 4 think ALL clubs should have marquee players to help raise the profile of the game and attract new and YOUNG fans (potential future players) should ALL clubs be forced to do it?

If 4 or 5 clubs think the salary cap should be raised and ALL clubs should spend up to it so that young players aren’t lost to the RU or other sports with better wages should we force them?

Your right, and our ground is "fit for purpose".

you know full well lifting of the cap wouldn't be spent on the young players

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Didn’t say it would, but those young players then become experienced players over time and would be in line for that extra money. So let’s raise the cap to make sure youngsters don’t look at the gap between RU and RL wages and opt for RU.....that’s if people are truely concerned about losing youngsters from the game as a whole rather than the more likely just worried about THEIR club losing a player who could’ve been a star for them.

I don't understand why reserve teams often get talked about as some sort of panacea to various problems, when it's far from it. I certainly don't think that it should be mandatory - there are many ways to skin this particular cat and clubs should be allowed to do what they believe is the most effective thing for them.

Even when the reserves / alliance leagues were around, Leeds never really took them seriously, yet only the biggest of trolls could argue that Leeds haven't contributed their fair share to the game's talent pool in the SL era. The belief at the club has been and still is that it was better for young players to come out of the Academy team and serve their apprenticeship playing first team rugby (wherever that was), rather than playing fellow kids in the reserves. In the early days of Super League, Bramley were effectively Leeds' reserve team, and later on the club sent batches of players to London Broncos, Hunslet and Featherstone. In general, it has served the club well.

I think that's one reason why Leeds prefer dual registration and loans to a reserve team. I would argue that Mikolaj Oledzki would have learnt much more playing against men in the Championship / L1 at Bradford that he would have done playing fellow 21-year-olds in the reserves. Luke Briscoe's career seems to have been reinvigorated by his time at Featherstone. Brad Dwyer also earned his Leeds shirt back after impressing at Fev. Jordan Lilley needs to learn how to really marshall a team around a field, and I think he's better served doing that at Bradford or Featherstone. You get the idea.

I get the argument for reserves but in reality, clubs should be free to find the way to build the player development pathways that work for them. That said, there needs to be some form of monitoring in place to make sure that clubs don't just see the scrapping of reserves as a 'cost cutting' exercise. If you don't want to run a reserve team then fine, but you still need to demonstrate that you are developing players to elite level standard by whatever means you choose.

So if Wakey, Hull, Halifax and Bradford are running one and Wigan, Saints and Warrington want to then you e got 7 teams there, THAT IS ENOUGH to have a league.

Play each team 4 times a year (2x home 2x away) that’s 24 fixtures.....PLENTY. Doesn’t matter about “loop fixtures” because it’s meant to be about game time and looking at youngsters for longer. It’s not about audience figures and sponsorship deals that would require more variety. If it a success then you probably see more join the next year and grow.

That they can’t and haven’t managed to do this in the 4 years or so is a COMPLETE FAILURE by the clubs involved who want it that they can’t organise something so simple. But instead of looking at themselves they blame other clubs.

Their’s been cancelling of fixtures every year since reserves have been reintroduced because of injuries even with such limited fixtures yet somehow teams think they can fulfill weekly reserve fixtures when they will definitely pick up many more injuries with more games.

It's not that they don't have £30k spare. It's that they believe that said £30k delivers a bigger return on investment elsewhere.

i dont see a problem with how the structure is now

if some teams want to have a huge squad that then their players dont get much game time thats their fault

the structure now is fine, the academy's are working and nothing wrong with going out on loan, see many players still make it if good enough

I’d also mention players who moved on who probably wouldn’t have if we had reserves. The constant argument is that players are lost to the game but doesn’t stack up. Rob Mulhern left to get game time lower down SL at HKR, had to do a season in the Championship with now back again and in the England Knights squad and one of the promising young props in the competition. Alex Foster left, went to London and then ended up at Cas playing in a GF and part of a LLS winning team. Luke Gale could’ve sat in our reserves endlessly hoping for a chance that probably would never come behind McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield, but instead he went away lower down and worked his way up to Man of Steel.

Would these happen if we keep them? At least shows that not making it at your academy club isn’t the “lost to the game” fearmongering that pro Reserve supporters like to portray. Leeds are prepared to miss out on a player and another club benefit rather than have him hanging around for selfish reasons of filling out our reserves. Teams like Leeds get accused of cherry picking all the best young talent then people complain when we don’t try and keep them all for ourselves for longer.

What's the £30k cover? Doesn't seem realistic somehow.