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[size=100Dec 23, 2014 16:00 By John Gibson
John Gibson speaks to Gateshead Thunder coach Stanley Gene about their marriage made in heaven with Newcastle Falcons[/size
Maybe the marriage is basking in the warm glow of its honeymoon but plans and expectations are for the long haul.
Newcastle Falcons, the area’s Premier rugby union club, said ‘I do’ to an approach from rugby league’s Gateshead Thunder to form a partnership that is aiming only one way: onward and upward.
The Thunder, playing third tier league, are planning to perform at Kingston Park come the opening of a spanking new season in February and are in discussions with those who matter over a name change to reflect their new city home.
In the spirit of togetherness the Falcons and Thunder top brass agreed to come together for an exclusive interview over their joint plans.
Falcons owner Semore Kurdi and director of rugby Dean Richards shared a table and a coffee pot with Thunder managing director Keith Christie and head coach Stanley Gene, a legendary figure not just in Super League but back home in Papua New Guinea.
Certainly the Falcons remain very much big brother but the eventual aim is for Thunder to join them in top flight rugby, albeit the 13-a-side code.
“It most certainly is, but in the medium term not long term,” was Kurdi’s positive answer when I pushed for clarity on the height of ambition. “Super League is the aim.
“There are great benefits for both clubs in this partnership, great similarities and joint goals while we will, of course, still keep our own identities. The Thunder will, for example, retain their own board of directors and senior management but we will share things like ticketing, marketing and playing facilities.
“As for a possible name change Keith and his executives are in discussions with the people who matter most like the supporters.
“Of course you can’t buy success quickly. You’ve got to build towards it and that is what the Thunder are doing. And we’re talking from grass roots level.
“The way ahead is clearly defined. Rugby League has a pyramid system which means if you’re successful you can be promoted all the way to the top. They made the play-offs last season and because of Stanley Gene’s legendary status back home he has been able to sign four Papua New Guinea players whose ability is much higher than the standard where they will be playing.
“If promotion can be obtained next season that would put the Thunder in the Championship, one step off Super League. It would be tough there of course, it’s a good league, but it would be exciting.” Semore has overseen such a rise from the ashes with the Falcons who in his first full season of control won promotion from union’s Championship and last campaign retained their Premiership status. Another small step along the way has been taken this term.
“We have already established a sound basis,” Thunder managing director Keith Christie told me. “We have boys in from the age of eight and have links with more than 14 regional clubs fielding sides at under 14, 18, and 20s.
“Because of our success we’ve applied for tier two academy status where we would become only one of three clubs outside of Super League.”
If Dean Richards saw the union and league link peter out at Harlequins there is a template nearer home at Leeds where dual success has been achieved though with league the more successful.
“We can both benefit,” insisted Richards. “There are certain positions where players can cross over – I’ve signed league players down the years. However our link with the Thunder has not been born because we want to eventually plunder their players. Far from it.”
It’s ironic that Stanley Gene should be the coach delegated to target Super League status because he actually signed for Gateshead Thunder back in 1998, their only season in the top flight.
“Oh, sure I came up and stayed overnight at Washington to join the Thunder,” said Gene. “I actually signed at seven o’clock in the morning but never played because I got a phone call to say the franchise was being moved to Hull. So I went with it.”
Gene had burst upon the English scene after starring in the 1995 RL World Cup held here. He began at Hull Kingston Rovers and later crossed the great devide to Hull Sharks (now Hull FC) upon Gateshead heading south. Stanley, only 5ft 4in tall but with the build of a pocket battleship, also wore the colours of Huddersfield Giants, Bradford Bulls and Halifax while playing in three World Cups during a 14-year international career with Papua New Guinea. He famously captained Bradford to the 2006 World Club Challenge Championship.
Upon his Test retirement in 2008 Stanley was carried from the field in Australia to a standing ovation from a 16,239 crowd that reduced a hard man to a flood of tears.
He still resides in the Hull area with his English wife Joanna and sons Elliott, 17, and seven-year-old Leo.
This is a sporting hero who grew up deep in the rain forests of Papua New Guinea avoiding lethal snake bites, fierce political violence and even cannibalism. His was a life of abject poverty way beyond anything we can comprehend from which rugby thankfully rescued him.
Gene attained cult-hero status here in England thousands of miles away from his roots but he never forgot those of his own less fortunate.
His village has regularly benefited from Stanley’s generosity. Water and electricity supplies are down to him. Against such a backdrop of fighting hardship shooting for Super League status with the Thunder should seem like a doddle.
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[size=130Ambitious Gateshead Thunder have the Super League in their sights[/size
[size=100Dec 23, 2014 16:00 By John Gibson
John Gibson speaks to Gateshead Thunder coach Stanley Gene about their marriage made in heaven with Newcastle Falcons[/size
Maybe the marriage is basking in the warm glow of its honeymoon but plans and expectations are for the long haul.
Newcastle Falcons, the area’s Premier rugby union club, said ‘I do’ to an approach from rugby league’s Gateshead Thunder to form a partnership that is aiming only one way: onward and upward.
The Thunder, playing third tier league, are planning to perform at Kingston Park come the opening of a spanking new season in February and are in discussions with those who matter over a name change to reflect their new city home.
In the spirit of togetherness the Falcons and Thunder top brass agreed to come together for an exclusive interview over their joint plans.
Falcons owner Semore Kurdi and director of rugby Dean Richards shared a table and a coffee pot with Thunder managing director Keith Christie and head coach Stanley Gene, a legendary figure not just in Super League but back home in Papua New Guinea.
Certainly the Falcons remain very much big brother but the eventual aim is for Thunder to join them in top flight rugby, albeit the 13-a-side code.
“It most certainly is, but in the medium term not long term,” was Kurdi’s positive answer when I pushed for clarity on the height of ambition. “Super League is the aim.
“There are great benefits for both clubs in this partnership, great similarities and joint goals while we will, of course, still keep our own identities. The Thunder will, for example, retain their own board of directors and senior management but we will share things like ticketing, marketing and playing facilities.
“As for a possible name change Keith and his executives are in discussions with the people who matter most like the supporters.
“Of course you can’t buy success quickly. You’ve got to build towards it and that is what the Thunder are doing. And we’re talking from grass roots level.
“The way ahead is clearly defined. Rugby League has a pyramid system which means if you’re successful you can be promoted all the way to the top. They made the play-offs last season and because of Stanley Gene’s legendary status back home he has been able to sign four Papua New Guinea players whose ability is much higher than the standard where they will be playing.
“If promotion can be obtained next season that would put the Thunder in the Championship, one step off Super League. It would be tough there of course, it’s a good league, but it would be exciting.” Semore has overseen such a rise from the ashes with the Falcons who in his first full season of control won promotion from union’s Championship and last campaign retained their Premiership status. Another small step along the way has been taken this term.
“We have already established a sound basis,” Thunder managing director Keith Christie told me. “We have boys in from the age of eight and have links with more than 14 regional clubs fielding sides at under 14, 18, and 20s.
“Because of our success we’ve applied for tier two academy status where we would become only one of three clubs outside of Super League.”
If Dean Richards saw the union and league link peter out at Harlequins there is a template nearer home at Leeds where dual success has been achieved though with league the more successful.
“We can both benefit,” insisted Richards. “There are certain positions where players can cross over – I’ve signed league players down the years. However our link with the Thunder has not been born because we want to eventually plunder their players. Far from it.”
It’s ironic that Stanley Gene should be the coach delegated to target Super League status because he actually signed for Gateshead Thunder back in 1998, their only season in the top flight.
“Oh, sure I came up and stayed overnight at Washington to join the Thunder,” said Gene. “I actually signed at seven o’clock in the morning but never played because I got a phone call to say the franchise was being moved to Hull. So I went with it.”
Gene had burst upon the English scene after starring in the 1995 RL World Cup held here. He began at Hull Kingston Rovers and later crossed the great devide to Hull Sharks (now Hull FC) upon Gateshead heading south. Stanley, only 5ft 4in tall but with the build of a pocket battleship, also wore the colours of Huddersfield Giants, Bradford Bulls and Halifax while playing in three World Cups during a 14-year international career with Papua New Guinea. He famously captained Bradford to the 2006 World Club Challenge Championship.
Upon his Test retirement in 2008 Stanley was carried from the field in Australia to a standing ovation from a 16,239 crowd that reduced a hard man to a flood of tears.
He still resides in the Hull area with his English wife Joanna and sons Elliott, 17, and seven-year-old Leo.
This is a sporting hero who grew up deep in the rain forests of Papua New Guinea avoiding lethal snake bites, fierce political violence and even cannibalism. His was a life of abject poverty way beyond anything we can comprehend from which rugby thankfully rescued him.
Gene attained cult-hero status here in England thousands of miles away from his roots but he never forgot those of his own less fortunate.
His village has regularly benefited from Stanley’s generosity. Water and electricity supplies are down to him. Against such a backdrop of fighting hardship shooting for Super League status with the Thunder should seem like a doddle.
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| Good old Stanley, I hope he is succesgful as a coach. One of RL's true gents and a legend in East Hull.
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| I'd like to see Gateshead succeed, Newcastle is a great city and a massive market for our sport. Along with the magic weekend up there, a successful top tier team would really bring in the support I reckon. Would be a decent away game to attend as well!
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| This is in the category of dreamtime perhaps, but imagine a Super League bereft of Widnes and Castleford, which did have [iNewcastle, London, Bradford[/i, and [iToulouse[/i.
Wow!
People from the non-M62 parts of the world, especially journalists, might then stop sneering at Super League.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"This is in the category of dreamtime perhaps, but imagine a Super League bereft of Widnes and Castleford, which did have [iNewcastle, London, Bradford[/i, and [iToulouse[/i.
Wow!
People from the non-M62 parts of the world, especially journalists, might then stop sneering at Super League.'"
3 of those 4 were in SL IN 1999. Didn't stop the sneering.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"3 of those 4 were in SL IN 1999. Didn't stop the sneering.'"
The low profile of the game has rendered sneering obsolete these days.
Nobody is even remotely interested in it enough to bother.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"3 of those 4 were in SL IN 1999. Didn't stop the sneering.'"
Add Toulouse to that mix, along with Catalans (who weren't there in 1999) and it just might stop the sneering.
Leeds
Bradford
Huddersfield
Wakefield/Calder United
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wigan
St. Helens
Warrington
Salford
London
Newcastle
Catalans
Toulouse
That mix looks a [ibit more[/i like England, sprinkled with a dash of France on top.
I know that a couple more southern English clubs, a Welsh club, and a third French club, would make it even more legitimately national and international. But those four contenders which I mentioned would at least be a start.
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| Meanwhile watch the four PNG players start smashing the defenses of the other Championship One clubs. Winger Garry Lo in particular -- the next Marcus Bai -- is going to accumulate a lot of tries. These PNG players are a cut above the playing standard of Championship One.
I fully expect a steady stream of young PNG talents will want to join their compatriots at Newcastle/Gateshead before too long.
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| Gateshead are already in super league masquerading as Hull F.C....
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Gateshead are already in super league masquerading as Hull F.C....'"
Blah blah blah change the record! Don't forget where your y
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Good old Stanley, I hope he is succesgful as a coach. One of RL's true gents and a legend in East Hull.'"
and in Huddersfield!
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| Hopefully this could be the base for a strong club in the future.
Personally I think it's brilliant, and I hope that, like Salford who are steadily heading toward being called Manchester, Gateshead will change name to Newcastle.
A future SL with Manchester and Newcastle in it would be great and those 2 cities should be our targets for expansion in my opinion.
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| I think Newcastle is a more realistic target for expansion than London.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I think Newcastle is a more realistic target for expansion than London.'"
Interesting. Care to expand as to why?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Interesting. Care to expand as to why?'"
I believe for the game to grow it needs to be much bigger in the whole of the North/Midlands and not just the M62 corridor. The clue of expansion is in the word itself. You don't just pick the capital city about 200 miles away and say 'capital city, loads of people, let's expand'. I think it needs more teams with a high profile within reach of the epicentre. There are loads across the M62 but it needs more up and down the M1 and A1. Think of it more in terms of creep than expansion. If we could get competitive teams in York, Newcastle, Derby, Nottingham, Leicester etc then the game would be a much more attractive proposition further afield. Those who know very little about the game will never be bothered while ever it is stuck along the M62. If the game and the successful promotion of it started to creep to the cities previously mentioned, people might start to take notice.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I believe for the game to grow it needs to be much bigger in the whole of the North/Midlands and not just the M62 corridor. The clue of expansion is in the word itself. You don't just pick the capital city about 200 miles away and say 'capital city, loads of people, let's expand'. I think it needs more teams with a high profile within reach of the epicentre. There are loads across the M62 but it needs more up and down the M1 and A1. Think of it more in terms of creep than expansion. If we could get competitive teams in York, Newcastle, Derby, Nottingham, Leicester etc then the game would be a much more attractive proposition further afield. Those who know very little about the game will never be bothered while ever it is stuck along the M62. If the game and the successful promotion of it started to creep to the cities previously mentioned, people might start to take notice.'"
Very much what I have suggested in the past, even to the point of the RFL actively searching out stadiums ( possibly council owned ) in towns/citys 40/50 miles from the heartlands and providing extra funding/management to get them up and running tied in with junior club development
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I believe for the game to grow it needs to be much bigger in the whole of the North/Midlands and not just the M62 corridor. The clue of expansion is in the word itself. You don't just pick the capital city about 200 miles away and say 'capital city, loads of people, let's expand'. I think it needs more teams with a high profile within reach of the epicentre. There are loads across the M62 but it needs more up and down the M1 and A1. Think of it more in terms of creep than expansion. If we could get competitive teams in York, Newcastle, Derby, Nottingham, Leicester etc then the game would be a much more attractive proposition further afield. Those who know very little about the game will never be bothered while ever it is stuck along the M62. If the game and the successful promotion of it started to creep to the cities previously mentioned, people might start to take notice.'"
Very much what I have suggested in the past, even to the point of the RFL actively searching out stadiums ( possibly council owned ) in towns/citys 40/50 miles from the heartlands and providing extra funding/management to get them up and running tied in with junior club development
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I believe for the game to grow it needs to be much bigger in the whole of the North/Midlands and not just the M62 corridor. The clue of expansion is in the word itself. You don't just pick the capital city about 200 miles away and say 'capital city, loads of people, let's expand'. I think it needs more teams with a high profile within reach of the epicentre. There are loads across the M62 but it needs more up and down the M1 and A1. Think of it more in terms of creep than expansion. If we could get competitive teams in York, Newcastle, Derby, Nottingham, Leicester etc then the game would be a much more attractive proposition further afield. Those who know very little about the game will never be bothered while ever it is stuck along the M62. If the game and the successful promotion of it started to creep to the cities previously mentioned, people might start to take notice.'"
Good post.
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| Although I agree with the above (non-troll) statements and endorse a creep out of the M62 corridor, we also need to ensure we hit towns where there is already an interest in the oval ball. Sheffield is a football stronghold and so the Eagles have had an uphill struggle. Nottingham failed. We cannot just parachute the game into football areas.
Preston? Further help for Coventry?
Well done Newcastle.
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| I don't think we should try and keep away from football cities at all.
Although the seasons of football and RL overlap, it would be crazy to ignore the larger towns and cities, just because they have a football club.
As some have already said, the most sensible option to grow the sport is to spread out from the games geographic core and if we were still n the
franchise era, this would have been relatively simple to manage.
The problem that we have now is, the fact that nobody is likely to invest significant sums of money in a club that, at best, may get a chance to play in
an annual qualification league.
Although the franchise idea spectacularly failed, it was certainly a better option for expanding the game, either in the UK or France.
Sadly, our governing body wasn't capable of managing the franchise idea properly.
As for Gateshead/Newcastle, why not, but it will be a hefty challenge for the people involved.
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| Quote ="Him"Hopefully this could be the base for a strong club in the future.
Personally I think it's brilliant, and I hope that, like Salford who are steadily heading toward being called Manchester, Gateshead will change name to Newcastle.
A future SL with Manchester and Newcastle in it would be great and those 2 cities should be our targets for expansion in my opinion.'"
Why is being 'Newcastle' preferable to being 'Gateshead'?
Newcastle: population 280200, 2 x elite pro-football clubs
Gateshead: population 200200, 0 x elite pro-football clubs
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Why is being 'Newcastle' preferable to being 'Gateshead'?
Newcastle: population 280200, 2 x elite pro-football clubs
Gateshead: population 200200, 0 x elite pro-football clubs'"
Go the whole hog and rebrand Tyneside Thunder.
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| Disagree : let's keep the marketing simple. Thanks (partly) to a Mr Wilkinson and his boot, Newcastle has a rugby ethos that we could use. The superb efforts of the RL activists in Gateshead cannot be ignored but there is a potential in Newcastle we cannot ignore.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I believe for the game to grow it needs to be much bigger in the whole of the North/Midlands and not just the M62 corridor. The clue of expansion is in the word itself. You don't just pick the capital city about 200 miles away and say 'capital city, loads of people, let's expand'. I think it needs more teams with a high profile within reach of the epicentre. There are loads across the M62 but it needs more up and down the M1 and A1. Think of it more in terms of creep than expansion. If we could get competitive teams in York, Newcastle, Derby, Nottingham, Leicester etc then the game would be a much more attractive proposition further afield. Those who know very little about the game will never be bothered while ever it is stuck along the M62. If the game and the successful promotion of it started to creep to the cities previously mentioned, people might start to take notice.'"
Completely agree. I think as a sport we should be doing more to create more players at grassroots level, by getting the sport played in more schools and creating more strong amateur clubs in these areas.
It sounds like Gateshead have done a good job in the North East, with 14 amateur clubs up there, which can all feed into Thunder.
There are still some big towns/cities close by that the RFL should focus on. The ones you mentioned, plus Sheffield & Manchester, which for the size of them have very few clubs, Liverpool too.
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| After the challenges that particular club has had, it would be brilliant to see some level of success at Thunder.
If that's getting into the Championship and no further then so be it.
The people at the club work super hard as it is, so this will be no more of a challenge than keeping the club alive.
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