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| From the Twitter feed of Swinton Payer Jose Kenga.....I hope the RFL throw the book at this brash and arrogant idiot, who seems to think that Buying a round "endears him" to the RL community.......
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| There’s no place for racists anywhere, not just rugby league. But that is disgusting by Argyle. Don’t think much will come of it though considering Argyle is the RFL’s best new buddy.
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| Just playing devils advocate here;
If an overweight player had gone over and he said do they let 'fat gets' into Swinton would we be seeing something similar? Im just curious as to where the line is. Is the line, don't poke jokes or have a dig at people, or are there 'no go areas', possibly race, sexuality.....Just curious
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Just playing devils advocate here;
If an overweight player had gone over and he said do they let 'fat gets' into Swinton would we be seeing something similar? Im just curious as to where the line is. Is the line, don't poke jokes or have a dig at people, or are there 'no go areas', possibly race, sexuality.....Just curious'"
The line would be saying something overwhelmingly loaded with reference to historical persecution and oppression. Treating someone like a 2nd class human based on the colour of their skin.
If he has said that to someones face, imagine what he says behind closed doors and imagine what he thinks is acceptable.
He is a disgrace and should be kicked out of the game.
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| He has issued a grovelling apology already but the Toronto fans arent happy.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Just playing devils advocate here;
If an overweight player had gone over and he said do they let 'fat gets' into Swinton would we be seeing something similar? Im just curious as to where the line is. Is the line, don't poke jokes or have a dig at people, or are there 'no go areas', possibly race, sexuality.....Just curious'"
there’s a big difference between someone’s weight or someone’s skin colour, in that one person chooses to be overweight or at least they can do something about it if they want, someone can’t choose being white or black (Michael Jackson aside).
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| Casual Australian racism, typical of his generation in my experience.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Just playing devils advocate here;
If an overweight player had gone over and he said do they let 'fat gets' into Swinton would we be seeing something similar? Im just curious as to where the line is. Is the line, don't poke jokes or have a dig at people, or are there 'no go areas', possibly race, sexuality.....Just curious'"
I'm not aware of, historically, overweight people being hung, enslaved or disenfranchised. I do not think you were just playing devil's advocate either. You think it's political correctness gone mad.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I'm not aware of, historically, overweight people being hung, enslaved or disenfranchised. I do not think you were just playing devil's advocate either. You think it's political correctness gone mad.'"
Political correctness gone mad is you thinking you can speak for me.
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| Quote ="Willzay"there’s a big difference between someone’s weight or someone’s skin colour, in that one person chooses to be overweight or at least they can do something about it if they want, someone can’t choose being white or black (Michael Jackson aside).'"
Answer the question, is it right or wrong to say do they allow fat people in Swinton.
I don't think anyone is saying what he said is acceptable. Where is line?
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Answer the question, is it right or wrong to say do they allow fat people in Swinton.
I don't think anyone is saying what he said is acceptable. Where is line?'"
No one is answering your stupid, obtuse questions, because the 'line' that you're obsessing about is based on a false equivalence, as several people have already explained to you in very simple terms.
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| Quote ="bren2k"No one is answering your stupid, obtuse questions, because the 'line' that you're obsessing about is based on a false equivalence, as several people have already explained to you in very simple terms.'"
So there is no line its personal perception and/or reception. Got it.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"So there is no line its personal perception and/or reception. Got it.'"
Yes, they are exactly the words that I said; well done you.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Yes, they are exactly the words that I said; well done you.'"
No it wasn't, thats what you thought you said whilst speaking for others.
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| It was a racist, not fattist remark. end of discussion.
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wonder what the RFL is going to do now as this is a serious complaint, as daft as it seems the club in whole could get serious repercussions ie heavy fine or even points deductions
The Tribunal then determine if the Club or individual concerned is guilty of an offence and what the appropriate sanction should be. Sanctioning decisions are made pursuant to the Off-Field Sentencing Guidelines.
Sanctions can include:
Warnings
Fines
Suspensions
Stadium bans
Sporting Sanction, e.g. point deductions.
https://www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/di ... sciplinary
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wonder what the RFL is going to do now as this is a serious complaint, as daft as it seems the club in whole could get serious repercussions ie heavy fine or even points deductions
The Tribunal then determine if the Club or individual concerned is guilty of an offence and what the appropriate sanction should be. Sanctioning decisions are made pursuant to the Off-Field Sentencing Guidelines.
Sanctions can include:
Warnings
Fines
Suspensions
Stadium bans
Sporting Sanction, e.g. point deductions.
https://www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/di ... sciplinary
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| Alright then wire Quinn do you think Scott Murrell would’ve complained to the RFL if the Bradford chairman made a remark about his weight?
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| Quote ="Willzay"Alright then wire Quinn do you think Scott Murrell would’ve complained to the RFL if the Bradford chairman made a remark about his weight?'"
I really don't know hence the question.
Unfortunately on here it seems it's one issue at a time rather than looking more holistically at what is offensive and how each should be dealt with.
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| Quote ="snowie"wonder what the RFL is going to do now as this is a serious complaint, as daft as it seems the club in whole could get serious repercussions ie heavy fine or even points deductions .'"
Any punishment should be against the person only not the club. If a player had said it they wouldn’t punish the whole club.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Any punishment should be against the person only not the club. If a player had said it they wouldn’t punish the whole club.'"
He owns the club doesn't he? He is in a position of responsibility and should act in a responsible way for the sake of his organization.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"He owns the club doesn't he? He is in a position of responsibility and should act in a responsible way for the sake of his organization.'"
Yes he does and yes he should, that’s why HE should be punished. That last line stands true and the exact same for players and coaches too though.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Any punishment should be against the person only not the club. If a player had said it they wouldn’t punish the whole club.'"
Err sorry no. When some Trinity idiot let off a flare at Cas a few years ago the club got fined, it wasn't the clubs fault was it, it was twi individuals but thats how it works. Can't just move the goalposts, if that statement he made breaks RFL rules then the club pays the price, whatever that price is.
Frankly its a pee poor bit of behaviour but its surely only a slap on the wrist, lets not blow it out of proportion. The bloke has apologised, he's clearly an idiot as even idiots know that kind of humour (i'm being kind here) is no longer acceptable. It doesn't matter whether in his or your opinion that it's PC gone mad etc etc the fact is society no longer tolerates it and most people are smart enough to accept that, you just can't be too careful.
If I were the RFL I would take another look at this guy before jumping any further into bed with him because that level of crass dumbness does not bode well.
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| Completely in the wrong is Argyle and definitely needs punishing for it. If I was deeply offended by something though & "never felt so little in my life". I think I'd have reported it straight away & brought it to the presses attention. Not waited nearly 2 months until the weekend my team played his team again.
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"Err sorry no. When some Trinity idiot let off a flare at Cas a few years ago the club got fined, it wasn't the clubs fault was it, it was twi individuals but thats how it works. Can't just move the goalposts, if that statement he made breaks RFL rules then the club pays the price, whatever that price is.
Frankly its a pee poor bit of behaviour but its surely only a slap on the wrist, lets not blow it out of proportion. The bloke has apologised, he's clearly an idiot as even idiots know that kind of humour (i'm being kind here) is no longer acceptable. It doesn't matter whether in his or your opinion that it's PC gone mad etc etc the fact is society no longer tolerates it and most people are smart enough to accept that, you just can't be too careful.
If I were the RFL I would take another look at this guy before jumping any further into bed with him because that level of crass dumbness does not bode well.'"
Different cases when it sections of a fan base rather than one individual at the club. Don’t recall when a player has been found to use a racist or homophobic remark the club as a whole gets punished so no it wouldn’t be “moving goalposts”.
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