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| Catalans Dragons are reportedly refusing to pay a deposit to play in the Challenge Cup this year, meaning the competition could be without its current holders, according to L’Indépendant.
The Dragons are understood to have followed Toulouse and Toronto Wolfpack’s example and questioned why they should pay the £495K equivalent fee required of non-English clubs.
The Rugby Football League’s reasoning for the fee is due to the loss of revenue as a result of any of the overseas teams’ progression in the competition. Catalans won the Cup last year in front of a crowd of just 50,672.
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| How embarrassing. Maybe London and Salford will follow the trend.
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| Good. So they should bloody refuse as well. It’s absolutely embarassing by the inept RFL.
If they can’t afford Wembley; don’t play there. To charge clubs such at Catalans, Toulouse and Toronto £700,000 to play in the Challenge Cup is completely incomprehensible.
Yet another reason why the RFL are completely and utterly destroying RL in Europe. The sooner they’re gone, the better IMHO.
SL clubs should all support Catalans, Toronto and Toulouse by refusing to participate. What if Salford, Huddersfield, Wakefield were to make the final and it not sell out? Would the RFL demand down payment from them in 2021?
Wembley not selling out is not the fault of the clubs; it’s the fault of the clueless at marketing and advertising RFL.
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| RFL are on a downward spiral and are dragging the whole game with them. Honestly think we would be better jumping ship and going in with the RFU. Not a merged code just get them to run the game. Reckon they could sell out the CC. Have to be played at Twickengam like.
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| Scandalous.
You can't market the sport you govern well enough to be able to fill Wembley, so you just make foreign clubs pay extortionate fees to enter the comp instead
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| Catalans plan to parade the Challenge Cup at the Nou Camp when they play Wigan .
The Catalonians must wonder why the current holders of the cup will not be defending it . Should they not pay the fee required by the RFL .
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| Another classic own goal by the sport, it wouldn't be a surprise if Toronto or Catalan sued The RFL for effectively precluding them from one of the oldest cup competition in the game and they ought to win.
We seem happy to take the "benefits" of having overseas clubs in "our" competition but we dont want any of the risk.
The situation would be equally difficult if two Championship clubs appeared in the Cup Final, therefore, perhaps they should all have to pay the levy as well ? (I'm not serious about them paying but, this demonstrates just how discriminatory the sport is being towards certain clubs).
Surely the answer is to have the semi finals and final far enough apart to allow the game to market one of only two major finals and get wembley sold out.
If not, we mat as well stage the game in a venue to match the "demand", maybe Doncaster or Leigh
This is wrong and humiliating
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"RFL are on a downward spiral and are dragging the whole game with them. Honestly think we would be better jumping ship and going in with the RFU. Not a merged code just get them to run the game. Reckon they could sell out the CC. Have to be played at Twickengam like.'"
If you’d have said this a few years ago I’d be throwing a barrage of insults at you and the RFU for daring to suggest getting in bed with the ‘enemy’.
Now? I’m open to the suggestion. They’ve turned what is a bloody mind numbing sport into one of the most popular in the UK and Europe (arguably).
Then again I’d trust my local bin man to run the RFL better than Rimmer and Barwick.
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| I know its unlikely but do Normanton Knights, Wigan St pats etc get told the same if the get to Wembley
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"Good. So they should bloody refuse as well. It’s absolutely embarassing by the inept RFL.
If they can’t afford Wembley; don’t play there. To charge clubs such at Catalans, Toulouse and Toronto £700,000 to play in the Challenge Cup is completely incomprehensible.
Yet another reason why the RFL are completely and utterly destroying RL in Europe. The sooner they’re gone, the better IMHO.
SL clubs should all support Catalans, Toronto and Toulouse by refusing to participate. What if Salford, Huddersfield, Wakefield were to make the final and it not sell out? Would the RFL demand down payment from them in 2021?
Wembley not selling out is not the fault of the clubs; it’s the fault of the clueless at marketing and advertising RFL.'"
I agree with most of what you say btw, one simple question what was Wigan's average attendance last season.
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| I have been to Wembley 28times over the years for the challenge cup or England games but what they are doing now is a bloody disgrace every since they moved it from may it has had problems for god sake move it back to how it used to be
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| As much as I don't like expansion clubs, this is pathetic by the RFL.
If any club is allowed to play in any of our Division's, then they should be allowed to participate in the Challenge Cup, without any clauses/demands. Double standards by the RFL, and highly embarrassing.
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| This is ridiculous from the RFL. Maybe they should just choose the two clubs with most fans and put them straight into the final .
Good Guardian article [url=https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/04/cash-dispute-could-see-catalan-dragons-not-defend-challenge-cup-crown-rugby-leaguehere[/url.
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| Just when I think the RFL could not get any worse this comes out.
It is ridiculous and makes RL a laughing stock
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| As life long fan & keen follower of our great game this decision by the RFL is the biggest insult/disgrace. It just about finishes me with the sport. The game I loved for 60 years has just about plumbed the depths of stupidity & any lingering credibility as a national sport are gone. Can our so called leaders get any worse?
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| Fully agree. This is disgraceful by the RFL.
I can see an embarrassing climb-down on the cards, though. Les Cats are quite right to refuse to pay.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I agree with most of what you say btw, one simple question what was Wigan's average attendance last season.'"
What have Wigan's attendances got to do with Catalan & Toronto being asked to put a guarentee down to be allowed to participate in The Challenge Cup ??
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| I'll give the CC a miss I reckon.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I agree with most of what you say btw, one simple question what was Wigan's average attendance last season.'"
Wigan’s average attendance for 2018 was 11, 528 , Down 16%
. Wigan’s average attendance in 2017 was 13, 699.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"What have Wigan's attendances got to do with Catalan & Toronto being asked to put a guarentee down to be allowed to participate in The Challenge Cup ??'"
Simple really, just read the post I quoted on regarding his comments on the attendances of Salford, Shudds and Wakey, and work it out from there, I'll give you a clue in case your still stuck, I bet Wigun takes more "fans" to
Wembley than they get for home games. HTH.
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| Having just read part of the RFL's response "We have been surprised and disappointed by the uncertainty over Catalan Dragons participation in the 2019 Challenge Cup, which surfaced before Christmas"
I dont know if anyone knows exactly who came up with the idea for a bond for overseas participants (excluding amateur sides) but, it's time to name and shame whichever clown or clowns came up with this one. It's a bloody disgrace and for a sport which is "famous" for it's innovations (crap ideas) and stupidity, this is as bad as it gets.
Sorry RFL but, this is not acceptable and your stupidity is likely to have a further effect on people not wanting to attend games.
We already have everything slanted in favour of the 12 (or 11) SL clubs and with Catalan, Toronto and Toulouse all dropping out, w've "eliminated 3 of the top 26 clubs, approx 10% of professional clubs that take part. Someone at HQ really needs to get a grip on this and quickly.
Also with Toronto and Toulouse dropping out, they give themselves an advantage in the promotion chase as they will play fewer games and keep their squad's fresh - it's just wrong.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/46763920
Challenge Cup holders Catalans Dragons are considering their place in the 2019 competition after being ordered to pay a £500,000 deposit to enter.
The French club became the first team from outside England to win rugby league's oldest trophy.
Catalans have asked the Rugby Football League to "reconsider its demand", which applies to all non-English teams.
Owner Bernard Guasch said they want to defend the cup, but added "it would be irresponsible to accept" the decision.
"The players would be very frustrated not being able to defend their title and we hope that we'll have an answer as soon as possible," Guasch said.
The deposit is understood to have been introduced to help cover any dip in revenue raised from the RFL's flagship competition.
While Catalans made history by winning in 2018, the final against Warrington was played in front of 50,672 - Wembley Stadium's lowest Challenge Cup final crowd since World War Two.
Already, fellow French club Toulouse and Canadian side Toronto - the first team from across the Atlantic to play in the Challenge Cup - have decided not to enter the competition. Both teams play in England's second division.
Red Star Belgrade, however, will remain in the competition and not need to pay the bond as they are an amateur team that will play their opening two rounds away from home, should they progress.
The RFL confirmed issues about Catalans' cup defence were raised in December.
"We have been surprised and disappointed by the uncertainty over the Catalans Dragons participation in the 2019 Challenge Cup, which surfaced just before Christmas," a statement said.
"We have been in discussions with the club since then, and will continue those discussions to search for a solution."
Analysis
Matt Newsum, BBC Sport rugby league reporter
The prospect of the Challenge Cup holders refusing to defend their title, because of issues related to bonds and financial input, is one which has left most rugby league fans scratching their heads.
Catalans' success at Wembley last year was one of the highlights of any season, let alone 2018, a genuine moment of brightness and progress in a sport which needs as many newsworthy crossover moments as it can muster.
However, amid the excitement there were concerns at the level of the attendance at that showpiece event, one of the knock-on effects of fewer Catalans fans making the trip.
It is not the only factor though. One of the issues comes from the RFL acquiring the opportunity to sell the ring of 'Club Wembley' seats that previously were counted as part of the attendance. The slide was felt in 2017 too.
With a number of big events in London over the August Bank Holiday weekend such as the Notting Hill Carnival and Premier League football - travel and accommodation prices are ramped up. Also the impact of track maintenance work massively affecting the West Coast Mainline must be acknowledged. Expense and inconvenience for fans has to be considered. It did dissuade fans from travelling.
Changes have been made to the date of the final going forward in order to arrest this issue, moving to July to avoid such clashes and cost implications.
There is some sympathy at the RFL seeking to cover its back financially, but there is mostly the sense that this was a massive 'own goal' for the governing body.
The question ought to be asked: If Wembley proves too expensive for the Challenge Cup, then perhaps it needs to rethink where the final is held?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/46763920
Challenge Cup holders Catalans Dragons are considering their place in the 2019 competition after being ordered to pay a £500,000 deposit to enter.
The French club became the first team from outside England to win rugby league's oldest trophy.
Catalans have asked the Rugby Football League to "reconsider its demand", which applies to all non-English teams.
Owner Bernard Guasch said they want to defend the cup, but added "it would be irresponsible to accept" the decision.
"The players would be very frustrated not being able to defend their title and we hope that we'll have an answer as soon as possible," Guasch said.
The deposit is understood to have been introduced to help cover any dip in revenue raised from the RFL's flagship competition.
While Catalans made history by winning in 2018, the final against Warrington was played in front of 50,672 - Wembley Stadium's lowest Challenge Cup final crowd since World War Two.
Already, fellow French club Toulouse and Canadian side Toronto - the first team from across the Atlantic to play in the Challenge Cup - have decided not to enter the competition. Both teams play in England's second division.
Red Star Belgrade, however, will remain in the competition and not need to pay the bond as they are an amateur team that will play their opening two rounds away from home, should they progress.
The RFL confirmed issues about Catalans' cup defence were raised in December.
"We have been surprised and disappointed by the uncertainty over the Catalans Dragons participation in the 2019 Challenge Cup, which surfaced just before Christmas," a statement said.
"We have been in discussions with the club since then, and will continue those discussions to search for a solution."
Analysis
Matt Newsum, BBC Sport rugby league reporter
The prospect of the Challenge Cup holders refusing to defend their title, because of issues related to bonds and financial input, is one which has left most rugby league fans scratching their heads.
Catalans' success at Wembley last year was one of the highlights of any season, let alone 2018, a genuine moment of brightness and progress in a sport which needs as many newsworthy crossover moments as it can muster.
However, amid the excitement there were concerns at the level of the attendance at that showpiece event, one of the knock-on effects of fewer Catalans fans making the trip.
It is not the only factor though. One of the issues comes from the RFL acquiring the opportunity to sell the ring of 'Club Wembley' seats that previously were counted as part of the attendance. The slide was felt in 2017 too.
With a number of big events in London over the August Bank Holiday weekend such as the Notting Hill Carnival and Premier League football - travel and accommodation prices are ramped up. Also the impact of track maintenance work massively affecting the West Coast Mainline must be acknowledged. Expense and inconvenience for fans has to be considered. It did dissuade fans from travelling.
Changes have been made to the date of the final going forward in order to arrest this issue, moving to July to avoid such clashes and cost implications.
There is some sympathy at the RFL seeking to cover its back financially, but there is mostly the sense that this was a massive 'own goal' for the governing body.
The question ought to be asked: If Wembley proves too expensive for the Challenge Cup, then perhaps it needs to rethink where the final is held?
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| Spot on.
Quote ="wrencat1873"Another classic own goal by the sport, it wouldn't be a surprise if Toronto or Catalan sued The RFL for effectively precluding them from one of the oldest cup competition in the game and they ought to win.
We seem happy to take the "benefits" of having overseas clubs in "our" competition but we dont want any of the risk.
The situation would be equally difficult if two Championship clubs appeared in the Cup Final, therefore, perhaps they should all have to pay the levy as well ? (I'm not serious about them paying but, this demonstrates just how discriminatory the sport is being towards certain clubs).
Surely the answer is to have the semi finals and final far enough apart to allow the game to market one of only two major finals and get wembley sold out.
If not, we mat as well stage the game in a venue to match the "demand", maybe Doncaster or Leigh
This is wrong and humiliating'"
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| “ Red Star Belgrade, however, will remain in the competition and not need to pay the bond as they are an amateur team that will play their opening two rounds away from home, should they progress.”
That statement itself surely opens up leverage for Catalans , Toulouse & Toronto .
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| Last time I attended was the re-opening of Wembley when Catalan played Saints , we traveled down on a trip organised from Wigan , plenty of Pie fans on the coach had booked before the semi defeat to the Dragons , they went down to London but didn't go to the match
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