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Red Star Belgrade will be included in the draw for the first round of the 2019 Challenge Cup, which takes place next Friday at Emerald Headingley.
Part of the club that won football’s European Cup in 1991, Red Star have been playing rugby league since 2006 and recently retained their Serbian Championship title.
Their inclusion means that six different countries will be represented in the competition – England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France and Serbia.
Colin Kleyweg, the chairman of Red Star Belgrade Rugby League, said: “Red Star Belgrade are so proud to be a part of the 2019 Challenge Cup. This is a huge day for rugby league in Serbia and for all expanding nations that nurture local talent and local players.”
Their application was accepted by the RFL on the basis they must play away in rounds one and two.
The Serbian champions will be joined by 51 sides from across the community game in Round One with ties to be played over the weekend of January 26-27.
But Championship sides Toronto Wolfpack and Toulouse Olympique won’t be taking part.
The Wolfpack had participated in each of the past two seasons, winning two games each year before bowing out to Super League opposition in the shape of Salford in 2017 and Warrington in 2018, but follow the lead of the French side, who didn’t take part last year.
The other 12 Betfred Championship sides join in round four, with the Betfred League 1 sides joining in round three.
Four Super League clubs – Hull KR, Leeds, London and Salford – will enter in round five in April, before the top eight join in round six.
Wales, Scotland and Ireland are represented by Torfaen Tigers, Edinburgh Eagles and Longhorns respectively – with Longhorns, from Leinster, included for the second year running.
National Conference League Premier Division champions Hunslet Club Parkside are joined by 30 other teams from across the NCL divisions – including Kells and Normanton Knights, who both reached the Fourth Round of the 2018 Challenge Cup.
There are four clubs from the south of England: Hammersmith Hills Hoists and London Chargers, who came head to head in Round One in 2018; the All Golds from the West of England League; and North Herts Crusaders, the East League champions who will be making their Challenge Cup debut.
The North West Men’s League and Yorkshire Men’s League each have two representatives: Bentley and Batley Boys from Yorkshire; and Orrell St James and Haydock from the North West. Distington, who enjoyed a successful cup run in 2018 before falling to Betfred League 1 side Coventry Bears in Round Three, will again join the Cumbrian challenge, and Wallsend Eagles will fly the flag for the North East.
Teams from each of the Armed Services – the Army, the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force – will be joined by the British Police team in the draw.
The final will take place at Wembley on Saturday August 24.
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Red Star Belgrade will be included in the draw for the first round of the 2019 Challenge Cup, which takes place next Friday at Emerald Headingley.
Part of the club that won football’s European Cup in 1991, Red Star have been playing rugby league since 2006 and recently retained their Serbian Championship title.
Their inclusion means that six different countries will be represented in the competition – England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France and Serbia.
Colin Kleyweg, the chairman of Red Star Belgrade Rugby League, said: “Red Star Belgrade are so proud to be a part of the 2019 Challenge Cup. This is a huge day for rugby league in Serbia and for all expanding nations that nurture local talent and local players.”
Their application was accepted by the RFL on the basis they must play away in rounds one and two.
The Serbian champions will be joined by 51 sides from across the community game in Round One with ties to be played over the weekend of January 26-27.
But Championship sides Toronto Wolfpack and Toulouse Olympique won’t be taking part.
The Wolfpack had participated in each of the past two seasons, winning two games each year before bowing out to Super League opposition in the shape of Salford in 2017 and Warrington in 2018, but follow the lead of the French side, who didn’t take part last year.
The other 12 Betfred Championship sides join in round four, with the Betfred League 1 sides joining in round three.
Four Super League clubs – Hull KR, Leeds, London and Salford – will enter in round five in April, before the top eight join in round six.
Wales, Scotland and Ireland are represented by Torfaen Tigers, Edinburgh Eagles and Longhorns respectively – with Longhorns, from Leinster, included for the second year running.
National Conference League Premier Division champions Hunslet Club Parkside are joined by 30 other teams from across the NCL divisions – including Kells and Normanton Knights, who both reached the Fourth Round of the 2018 Challenge Cup.
There are four clubs from the south of England: Hammersmith Hills Hoists and London Chargers, who came head to head in Round One in 2018; the All Golds from the West of England League; and North Herts Crusaders, the East League champions who will be making their Challenge Cup debut.
The North West Men’s League and Yorkshire Men’s League each have two representatives: Bentley and Batley Boys from Yorkshire; and Orrell St James and Haydock from the North West. Distington, who enjoyed a successful cup run in 2018 before falling to Betfred League 1 side Coventry Bears in Round Three, will again join the Cumbrian challenge, and Wallsend Eagles will fly the flag for the North East.
Teams from each of the Armed Services – the Army, the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force – will be joined by the British Police team in the draw.
The final will take place at Wembley on Saturday August 24.
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Dragan Marsicevic set up a rugby league in the country when it was still part of Yugoslavia, in 1953.
Sadly, 11 years later, it was decided that only one form of rugby could be tolerated in the country, and league lost out to union.
Zeljko Delic is the man who sparked the foundation process for the club, and, ten years later, he is still heavily involved in all aspects of Red Star’s operation.
Delic feels that Serbian cities like Belgrade are a rich ground for rugby league to grow in, and there are more similarities between our game’s ‘heartlands’, and its new territories in the Balkans.
Red Star actually have links with one UK club, Hull Kingston Rovers, a link which has seen players from Serbia have trials with the Robins.
“It started five years ago when the lad from East Hull, Mark Pullen and I met,” Delic explained.
“He got married here in Belgrade and I managed to convince him to come out of the retirement and join Red Star.
He came up with the idea for us to do some sort of twinning with his beloved Rovers.
“Hull and Belgrade have more in common than one would think.
“City rivalry between Red and White and Black and White was the key of course. [Partizan Belgrade, Red Star’s great rivals, wear black and white.
Red Star also runs youth teams for boys and girls, and works alongside local rugby union to help broaden the appeal of both codes of the game.
“We have U18s and U16s and also girls team in the same age group,” said Delic.
“We have a handful of U14s but we must do better than that. We received a significant grant from Australian embassy in Belgrade in 2015, not as a club but on the level of federation.
“Those funds were shared among Belgrade based clubs on the project of promotion of rugby league in elementary schools in Belgrade.
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Thank You for posting that bramleyrhino . That certainly is an unfair scenario as you say , basically the RFL are asking clubs to do their marketing job , which the RFL seem inept at doing so .
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Thank You for posting that bramleyrhino . That certainly is an unfair scenario as you say , basically the RFL are asking clubs to do their marketing job , which the RFL seem inept at doing so .
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The knock on effect of Toulouse and Toronto pulling out (not that I blame them) could skew the Championship. For a round or two the likes of Bradford, Fax and Widnes will have to risk injury playing in a cup comp they can't win, whilst that same weekend Toulouse and Toronto get to rest their players.
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Why didn't Toulouse play last year, anyone knows?
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Do Salford get a similar phone call regarding liability insurance! Or is it just foreigners ?
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Do Salford get a similar phone call regarding liability insurance! Or is it just foreigners ?'"
I have quite enjoyed your badinage with the Leigh followers,but you seem to have misjudged Salford.
Their last appearance at Wembley in 1969 v Castleford had an attendance of 97,939.
You may wish to compare and contrast that attendance with those either side of 1969 - and/or finals involving London and Warrington.
That aside,it is a disgraceful,but not unusual for this sport,situation which has been unfairly created. |
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Do Salford get a similar phone call regarding liability insurance! Or is it just foreigners ?'"
Good question that. I'd imagine Salford have got 4,000 people at most who consider themselves to be fans. If we imagine 3/4 of them go to a Salford final and take an extra person with them for the big game, that's 6,000 people max. As an absolute nothing name within the game, no one would go to see it because they were there. Whoever it was against, the final would be a truly awful prospect.
Imagine a final between Huddersfield and Salford. We'd be damn lucky to get 40,000 people to show up. I don't see much difference between a Huddersfield v Salford final and a Toronto v Catalans final if I'm honest. It just smacks of them trying to prevent them getting to the final in the first place and doesn't bode well for what might happen should Toronto or Toulouse make it into Super League. Are they going to be expected to fund the RFL's incompetence then as well? |
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You really think Salford would only take 6000 to Wembley ,a final brings out people who haven’t been for years and even people who’ve never been to say there wouldn’t be much difference between a Catalan v Toronto and a Salford v Hidds is ridiculous
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"You really think Salford would only take 6000 to Wembley ,a final brings out people who haven’t been for years and even people who’ve never been to say there wouldn’t be much difference between a Catalan v Toronto and a Salford v Hidds is ridiculous'"
Indeed. Just look at what reaching Wembley did for Cas.
As for Toronto and Toulouse, they shouldn't pick and choose which competition to play in. They shouldn't be allowed to play in the league until they agree to participate in the CC. |
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Why don’t the Rfl just increase the size of superleague and put Toronto and Toulouse in obviously desperate to do so. Would have thought TW financial advantage would be enough to see them promoted. A disgrace that teams can opt not to participate in the CC. Devaluing the comp, no respect for tradition.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Indeed. Just look at what reaching Wembley did for Cas.
As for Toronto and Toulouse, they shouldn't pick and choose which competition to play in. They shouldn't be allowed to play in the league until they agree to participate in the CC.'"
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| Quote ="Leyther14"A disgrace that teams can opt not to participate in the CC. Devaluing the comp, no respect for tradition.'"
The bigger disgrace is the RFL imposing commercial terms on some clubs without imposing the same on all clubs.
If the RFL is forcing Toronto, Toulouse and Catalans to agree to sell 10,000 tickets (or whatever the figure is) or face a financial penalty, that term should apply to every club in the competition.
All of this hides the elephant in the room anyway. The RFL keep telling us that the CC Final is a "blue ribboned" event - why aren't they confident about selling it out themselves? Why does Red Hall need clubs to agree to subsidise its inaction? |
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| Quote ="Him"Toronto agreed to participate in the CC. The RFL put specific conditions on their participation and didn’t allow them to participate.'"
Out of interest, would Toronto of got their money back if they didn't reach the final? because that's what it was all about, Wembley being empty if they somehow got there.
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Shame (typical) that this quickly descended into slating the RFL, Toronto and Tolouse. The post was actually about the great potential in Belgrade and across the Balkans.
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| Quote ="Halifax1989"Shame (typical) that this quickly descended into slating the RFL, Toronto and Tolouse. The post was actually about the great potential in Belgrade and across the Balkans.'"
It's great to have Red Star in the comp but, "great potential accross the Balkans" is massively over egging the inclusion of Red Star, who, like any other lower league side, will crash out when they are tested against either a top Championship or SL side.
As I say, great to have them in the hat but, what will they actually bring to the comp.
Regarding Toronto and Toulouse being "forced out" of the competition is a bloody disgrace.
If "we" are going to carry on with forcing out clubs, who cannot sell their ticket allocation fro the final, it's time to scrap the Challenge Cup altogether.
Standard entry fee, with the possible rider that overseas clubs have to forfeit their home advantage up to the quarter finals but, ALL clubs should be allowed to enter at the appropriate time and just as another poster has suggested, this gives our two overseas promotion hopefulls a free week, while their competition are getting battered (physically).
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Good question that. I'd imagine Salford have got 4,000 people at most who consider themselves to be fans. If we imagine 3/4 of them go to a Salford final and take an extra person with them for the big game, that's 6,000 people max. As an absolute nothing name within the game, no one would go to see it because they were there. Whoever it was against, the final would be a truly awful prospect.
Imagine a final between Huddersfield and Salford. We'd be damn lucky to get 40,000 people to show up. I don't see much difference between a Huddersfield v Salford final and a Toronto v Catalans final if I'm honest. It just smacks of them trying to prevent them getting to the final in the first place and doesn't bode well for what might happen should Toronto or Toulouse make it into Super League. Are they going to be expected to fund the RFL's incompetence then as well?'"
Well Mr saddo you really are a typical RL fan, I'm sure anyone reading this will rush out to their nearest super league club, or in your case run from Warrington to St. Helens.
St.Helens and Warrington have played in 21 and 17 finals (3icon_cool.gif total, compare this with Salford's 7 finals and other than one St.Helens final against the mighty Wigan you have a total of 1 (one) higher attendance than the 97,939 that watched Salford V Castleford.
I'll even give you 2 if you include the wire halifax replay at Bradford depending on which team your following. |
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Obviously Toronto and Toulouse gain an advantage by having bye weeks so perhaps they should be docked 4 points to even things up.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"The bigger disgrace is the RFL imposing commercial terms on some clubs without imposing the same on all clubs.
If the RFL is forcing Toronto, Toulouse and Catalans to agree to sell 10,000 tickets (or whatever the figure is) or face a financial penalty, that term should apply to every club in the competition.
All of this hides the elephant in the room anyway. The RFL keep telling us that the CC Final is a "blue ribboned" event - why aren't they confident about selling it out themselves? Why does Red Hall need clubs to agree to subsidise its inaction?'"
Another shocking effort by the game.
Fundamentally, you cant invite clubs into a competition and then start to impose such "restrictions" on their entry.
Either these rules should apply to all clubs, which could have a massive detrimental effect on the competition or, to none.
I'm comfortable with the overseas sides having to forefeit their hom advantage in the early rounds but to caharge some astronomical fee is quite ridiculous.
What really irks is that "we" were happy to take the publicity and additional media coverage following Catalan's success last season and yet we then look to punish the overseas entrants.
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Well Mr saddo you really are a typical RL fan, I'm sure anyone reading this will rush out to their nearest super league club, or in your case run from Warrington to St. Helens.
St.Helens and Warrington have played in 21 and 17 finals (3icon_cool.gif total, compare this with Salford's 7 finals and other than one St.Helens final against the mighty Wigan you have a total of 1 (one) higher attendance than the 97,939 that watched Salford V Castleford.
I'll even give you 2 if you include the wire halifax replay at Bradford depending on which team your following.'"
Saddo is still right in what he says though.
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Well Mr saddo you really are a typical RL fan, I'm sure anyone reading this will rush out to their nearest super league club, or in your case run from Warrington to St. Helens.
St.Helens and Warrington have played in 21 and 17 finals (3icon_cool.gif total, compare this with Salford's 7 finals and other than one St.Helens final against the mighty Wigan you have a total of 1 (one) higher attendance than the 97,939 that watched Salford V Castleford.
I'll even give you 2 if you include the wire halifax replay at Bradford depending on which team your following.'"
I'm really not sure what relevance the attendance at a cup final 50 years ago has today. I'll stand by what I said, Salford's pathetic following couldn't muster more than 6,000 for a cup final these days. The club probably won't exist in 12 months anyway, so it's a mute point.
Making overseas clubs pay to enter the Challenge Cup, hidden behind some facade about 10,000 spectators attending the final is ridiculous when there are so many UK based clubs who couldn't achieve that. Why does anyone have to pay to enter? Why not just market it properly and sell a decent number of tickets regardless of who gets there? Absolute worst case, Toronto v Toulouse, or Salford v Huddersfield, the RFL should be able to manage 50,000 ticket sales.
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Saddo is still right in what he says though.
Salford, Wakefield, Huddersfield and London should all also have to pay to play in the cup'"
When Hudds were there in 09 there was 77k in attendance not 50k (And even that was over inflated to save the embarrassment of the real figure), last time London were there it was 73k, last time Wakefield were there it was 94k (Granted a long time ago). Your obsession with the likes of Salford, Wakefield and Hudds is hilarious, I imagine that you have now changed alias once again to save the embarrassment of your previous "Everything revolves around Toronto" posts Lebron/Jean/RL Realist/Canoeman...
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#RUNWITHTHEPACK'"
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