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| I know that some clubs are looking for new homes. Perhaps there are some lessons to learn from some of the most recent moves. Watching Wigan at the Pie Dome can be a dispiriting experience when the crowd falls below about 12000.
Recently I watched French union game whilst on holiday. The team, Oyonnax, had just been promoted and the ground had been improved. One of the big stands was like a big temporary stand with nothing underneath but a mass of trusses and braces. As a result it was like a huge drum creating a bowel loosening sound from a modest crowd. It set me thinking about the lack of atmosphere in a lot of new grounds compared to what you get at some older grounds like cas. If we are going to get bodies through the turnstiles we need to provide atmosphere.
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| Rectangular, with stands and seating on all four sides, and a retractable roof.
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| I quite like the bowl shape rather than the standard separate 4 sides
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| Bowl is definitely better. Donny with terracing, or Wire with the last two corners filled in.
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KC stadium is a very, very good design. Externally it's very aesthetically pleasing on the eye in the landscape. https://enterprisetimes.co.uk/wp-conten ... tadium.jpg
Even with 11-12k in a 24k stadium the atmosphere can be fantastic, when it's rocking with a packed house it's incredible.
Sorry Chorley boy but rectangles are so 19th century, the design makes it awkward to have fluidity, especially if you want open concourses that are easy access and safe.
Also the furthest away fans are closer than in a comparable traditional rectangular stadium.
All seater is fine for me, I don't feel the need to stand.
The only thing the KCOM could have is a bigger screen.
Access and egress is massively important, being able to safely get to a stadium on foot and have covered and secure bicycle parking (not just for fans but for those using the facilities on a daily basis would be desirable. the KC had the chance to have a railway halt/spur the same as Boothferry Park had but this was binned off sadly. Though the fair ground land is not ideal it's a damn sight better than parking at other grounds and at least there is the option of the park and ride.
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KC stadium is a very, very good design. Externally it's very aesthetically pleasing on the eye in the landscape. https://enterprisetimes.co.uk/wp-conten ... tadium.jpg
Even with 11-12k in a 24k stadium the atmosphere can be fantastic, when it's rocking with a packed house it's incredible.
Sorry Chorley boy but rectangles are so 19th century, the design makes it awkward to have fluidity, especially if you want open concourses that are easy access and safe.
Also the furthest away fans are closer than in a comparable traditional rectangular stadium.
All seater is fine for me, I don't feel the need to stand.
The only thing the KCOM could have is a bigger screen.
Access and egress is massively important, being able to safely get to a stadium on foot and have covered and secure bicycle parking (not just for fans but for those using the facilities on a daily basis would be desirable. the KC had the chance to have a railway halt/spur the same as Boothferry Park had but this was binned off sadly. Though the fair ground land is not ideal it's a damn sight better than parking at other grounds and at least there is the option of the park and ride.
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| Wembley is pretty good.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Wembley is pretty good.'"
But not has good has it should have been
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| THe KC stadium (or whatever FC call their ground these days) is far and away the best ground in SL in just about every aspect.
It looks good, plenty of leg room, easy access and creates a cracking atmosphere, obviously improved when close to capacity, although this is true of most of the grounds.
There isn't really a close second but, I quite like Leigh's ground, which is ideal for them. ie, not too big, decent facilities and a decent atmosphere.
The most disappointing ground is Salford.
To say that it's the newest ground, there is so much wrong with it.
Apart from the parking chaos (although this has improved recently (possibly due to lowes attendances), the huge main stand, although it has decent facilities, dwarfs the rest of the ground and just makes it look like a lego kit and the beer is absolutely shocking ! - very friendly staff though.
A mixture of terracing and seating is still the way forward though (like the Halliwell Jones Stadium) and as others have said, once the corners are filled in, this will be very good for a modern ground.
As a Trinity fan though, any of the new grounds would be great, if only the politicians would keep their ***** promises !
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"THe KC stadium (or whatever FC call their ground these days) is far and away the best ground in SL in just about every aspect.
It looks good, plenty of leg room, easy access and creates a cracking atmosphere, obviously improved when close to capacity, although this is true of most of the grounds.
There isn't really a close second but, I quite like Leigh's ground, which is ideal for them. ie, not too big, decent facilities and a decent atmosphere.
The most disappointing ground is Salford.
To say that it's the newest ground, there is so much wrong with it.
Apart from the parking chaos (although this has improved recently (possibly due to lowes attendances), the huge main stand, although it has decent facilities, dwarfs the rest of the ground and just makes it look like a lego kit and the beer is absolutely shocking ! - very friendly staff though.
A mixture of terracing and seating is still the way forward though (like the Halliwell Jones Stadium) and as others have said, once the corners are filled in, this will be very good for a modern ground.
As a Trinity fan though, any of the new grounds would be great, if only the politicians would keep their ***** promises !'"
The only problem with the KC is the size for rugby (And football currently).
The best thing about the ground is the location, close to loads of pubs etc.
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| Whatever makes for the best atmosphere!
Saints ground is awful for that for some reason, unless you are right in the thick of things at one end (when the ground is full, which isn't very often) then it doesn't sound like there is any atmosphere/singing etc. at all.
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Looks great but, it doesnt count if there is a capacity crowd in there.
We're used to having half or quarter full grounds over here, which exposes all the faults and kills the atmosphere
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Looks great but, it doesnt count if there is a capacity crowd in there.
We're used to having half or quarter full grounds over here, which exposes all the faults and kills the atmosphere
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| Saints ground was a fight for standing at the end, never mind where I think it need to be down one side like at wire, Mal Kay wanted standing in the corners.........
I think it makes a big difference to the atmoshpere, but ultimately, if a team is not playing well the atmosphere suffers.
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| Headingley and Halliwell Jones stadium.
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| I know it doesn't really answer the OP's question but the single biggest factor imo is location. Easy access from public transport and decent car parking within walking distance combined with a selection of pubs in the vicinity ticks all the boxes.
As for the stadium itself I just like them enclosed, whether that be rectangular with the corners filled in or an oval I don't much care.
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| I do like he bowl type stadiums over rectangular. One of the best examples is the Bolton Wanderers home (what ever it's Called now)
The sweeping lines of the roof do make it pleasing on the eye.
Another aspect is ease of access from the road network, so edge of town rather than city centre.
But most inportant to me is been able to stand and watch my rugby. I may be getting on a bit now, but I don't take a tartan rug to games yet.
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| For RL in this country, something shaped in a similar way to the Keepmoat but with one of the side stands (west side) slightly bigger. Capacity of 20k. One end fully standing, one side (west) fully seated. The opposite side to have seats at the back and a decent sized terrace paddock at the front. The other end would be a mix of seats and standing for visiting fans.
Massive car park close by, 6 pubs within a half mile radius.
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| TBH I don't see what the fuss is about not being able to stand, the seat gives you a guaranteed amount of space (ok some grounds are worse than others but still), you can also get your 'spot' with a seat more often than not particularly if you're a season ticket holder.
Standing is not much cop for kids, especially so if it's packed and IMHO I still think it isn't ideal from a safety POV. Sure if they're standing at the front but then they are at such a low level it's hard for them to see everything as you're already that much further away from the action at the ends.
I loved standing BITD and when I started going on my own to the Boulevard at the age of 9 I'd stand right at the front on a bit of wall pretty much right next to the speedway gates. I went into threpenny a few times when I was older but it wasn't ideal unless you stood near the front from a viewing POV.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"For RL in this country, something shaped in a similar way to the Keepmoat but with one of the side stands (west side) slightly bigger. Capacity of 20k. One end fully standing, one side (west) fully seated. The opposite side to have seats at the back and a decent sized terrace paddock at the front. The other end would be a mix of seats and standing for visiting fans.
Massive car park close by, 6 pubs within a half mile radius.'" Apart from the car park you've just described the New Headingley
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| Conveniently obscuring the away end which isn't getting touched?
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| I know Hull KR's stadium might not be the best, but the East Stand has to be the most atmospheric in the English game.
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| Quote ="Dave K."The only problem with the KC is the size for rugby (And football currently).
The best thing about the ground is the location, close to loads of pubs etc.'"
Still think all seating affects the atmosphere, ideally for RL there should be some standing, must admit though when your lot boo the ref it can be deafening
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| Quote ="barham red"Still think all seating affects the atmosphere, ideally for RL there should be some standing, must admit though when your lot boo the ref it can be deafening
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Well spotted. With some of the garbage refs we've had this year, we've had lots of practice.
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| Quote ="barham red"Still think all seating affects the atmosphere, ideally for RL there should be some standing, must admit though when your lot boo the ref it can be deafening
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Probably, a ground like Doncaster's but with some standing would be perfect.
Maybe then other clubs to create the perfect atmosphere like at Rovers, where they is no booing and no fans ever leave before the end
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